Ladakh Flash Point

[ZeEa5KPul]

The Anglos are the primary threat; once the eastern seaboard is secure and the anglos expelled from east asia, the Jai Hind threat should be extirpated for once and for all.

Yes, and China's strategy with India sends two very clear messages. To the Indians it sends the message that the West won't come to their aid and that they are no more than helpless cannon fodder, and to the Anglos it sends the message that the Indians are a weak and insignificant ally that can't apply even a modicum of pressure on China.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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Why does the Indian government and Indian Army not come out and make a similar statement calling the Galwan captive photographs as fake? They seemed might confident when they kept on quoting "heavy PLA casualty figures" last year, what happened to their confidence? Do they not know that such rumors may reflect poorly on the Indian military? Why are they now coming out to clarify to their newspapers that no PLA were detained in the late September confrontation? Why? Why? Why?

 

[twineedle]

This is near the location of the recent confrontation between india and China.China is interesred in the waterfall because it is culturally significant to the local Tibetans. The Global Times report mentioned that the area has been a flash point since 2001, when India removed a bridge giving the Chinese side access to the falls.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1446387474305929217

 

[coolieno99]

There was another one where several Indian Jawans were tag teaming a short PLA soldier. I recall them mocking the Chinese as dwarfs.

Another myth squashed.

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[ZeEa5KPul]

This is near the location of the recent confrontation between india and China.China is interesred in the waterfall because it is culturally significant to the local Tibetans. The Global Times report mentioned that the area has been a flash point since 2001, when India removed a bridge giving the Chinese side access to the falls.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1446387474305929217

This highly relevant and not at all poor attempt at diversion news makes me so sad. I find myself sobbing uncontrollably to the point where my eyes have swollen shut from all the tears. If only there was a picture to express that...

 

[Abominable]

Hypothetically speaking, if the videos of the officers' confessions were to be made public, would they be considered compromised by the IA or would those be confessions made under duress?

The latter no doubt. Though it would look unfavourably if they blabbered too much on camera without putting up a fight.

 

[batfox]

This is near the location of the recent confrontation between india and China.China is interesred in the waterfall because it is culturally significant to the local Tibetans. The Global Times report mentioned that the area has been a flash point since 2001, when India removed a bridge giving the Chinese side access to the falls.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1446387474305929217

Thats why China needs to barbecue indians into tandoori chickens

 

[coolieno99]

At the end of day, what matters is, what's changed on the ground, what people believe had happened.

What's changed on the ground? Maybe a little here and there, but not much.

What people believe had happened? For all these incidents, PLA was portraited by India as the agressor being humiliated, India the victim and the victor. This is to feed their jingoism ego, garner domestic political gain, as well as provide ammunition to foreign powers as India always need them.
It's behavior of China side puzzling. Almost amounts to complete silence, always.
PLA is not just afraid of escalation, they want their opponent know that they are afraid of escalation, thus "show maximum constraint".
But I never heard Mao saying "be afraid, be very afraid"?
If there is tiniest chance of releasing evidence can achieve anything, is it not immediate reaction rather than more than a year later?
I'll never be able to understand. Either they are super smart, or super stupid. Looking at how things have been going in the last 60 years, more likely the latter.

Here's the answer:
This is one area where India dominate China.
China has 473,000 lawyers
India has 2,000,000 lawyers
So India has 4 times the number of lawyers.
The job of a lawyer is to:
"Make the innocent appear guilty, and make the guilty appear innocent."

 

[ougoah]

So China has officially said India lied about detaining PLA and lied about PLA attacking Tawang.

Indian government three days ago admitted that they did not detain PLA and PLA did not attack Tawang.

Looks like both sides officially agree with what China said the first and only time China made its official position on this matter clear. India backpeddled and scurried around with lies right before pictures were released. Once those pictures were released (just a few of the surely hundreds), the Indian handlers directed their media to stop publishing lies and Indian gov released an official statement saying China is telling the truth.

This is humiliating for India. Not only did it get exposed for lying and peddling propaganda again but it also got exposed for being weak. It is not carrying through with what it intended to.

Net change on Ladakh side is two new buffers which were not in place before standoff. Net win for China but minimally effective (for the purpose of sealing Aksai Chin off from Indian access) until total buffer is gained by China.

Since the latest negotiations were said to be unfruitful, that means India refuses to convert remaining presence they have within 20% dispute into a buffer.

Just like I predicted months and months ago, India will refuse to convert remaining into buffer until they cannot afford to but China has little leverage to use now. It got Pangong and Galwan buffer only because PLA was inside and occupying those areas. It seems China conducted patrols near Tawang in September as a way to pressure India to give in to buffer on Ladakh side.

This is the new play. Since China has used up all leverage it had on Ladakh side, India refuses to totally vacate. China needs to find new leverage and that seems to be in the form of opening up Tawang front at AP side but AP is settled and Tawang is already an Indian town. It's not an option to forcefully occupy. Patrols are the form of pressure it seems. Basically just constantly giving India headache with PLA patrols but this is no different to what India did to China at Ladakh side and clearly something China wants to stop. It is curious how China will play this or accept that India will just have temporary camps set up within 20%. Maybe they'll just send PLA to push them out or use access denial. Not escalating may have been an agreement on both sides after December 2020 so breaking that by using microwave access denial and the like would give India reason to break buffer deal on Pangong and Galwan. Tricky situation.

 

[Jono]

Someone earlier in the thread said they would like a headcount of all the Indian soldiers being marched back to their side. Well someone has done just that:

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look at the hands of soldiers 1, 2 and 5. They are unusually pale and also no colour under the nails, perhaps a sign of deep frost bite to their hands? for soldier 2, compare the ring finger and little finger against the index and middle fingers, you can see a distinct difference in colour, which to me is not due to optic distortion effect. these poor soldiers may probably have lost some function to their hands and fingers.

OTOH, I agree with China's approach of not upsetting India too much. there is just no point in openly humilitating a
permanent neighbour who is not going to leave the geographical scene. The Anglos would like to play their usual strategy of divide and conquer between China and India, and so the western MSM will always side with India and whips up the sentiments and animosity between the two countries and their people. Hopefully the Indian leadership would see through the western tricks and antics and come to a rational decision to make peace with China.
Afterall, China has no territorial ambition in India, all she wants is to demarcate the border clearly between the two neighbours, and then moves on. Whether India wishes to join the BRI and RCEP or not is up to her to decide. If yes, China welcomes. If not, nothing lost.