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ougoah

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I believe those videos were determined to be footage of the early may clash at finger 4. AFAIK no footage of clashes at Rechin have been released.

Global Times also reported India was occupying China's side of the LAC until Feb agreement. India officially denied.

I'm not referring to any clash footage. I am talking about the one (or more I'm not sure how many there were) that showed indians celebrating and dancing in a circle if I recall. It was suggested (by Indians) that it was a successful invasion and capture of parts of China proper which would be used to bargain during negotiations. It was also reported by the CCP mentioning "Indian intrusion into China south of Pangong Lake".

Anyway GT was reporting it for about a week or so and then reports said that Indian forces repelled off Chinese land. As for the GT reporting India occupying China's side of LAC until buffer agreements, that is separate. The reqin intrusion I'm mentioning was a one or two week long thing. Of course China for the entire standoff until first buffer deal was suggesting India is on China's side. I mean this isn't untrue either even now. China is also on India's side if Indian claims are considered.
 

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ougoah

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Let's not forget that Indian media made many claims (with the approval and information supplied by government of india and indian military) that PLA destroyed a bridge of India's in late september or early october and left and then they said they detained 100 to 200 PLA (stories vary can't even get their lies in order).

Once these photos were released Indian government immediately said this.

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"No structures damaged and no PLA detained."

Like come on. Who is clearly lying. India says A and then says Z.
 

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Let's not forget that Indian media made many claims (with the approval and information supplied by government of india and indian military) that PLA destroyed a bridge of India's in late september or early october and left and then they said they detained 100 to 200 PLA (stories vary can't even get their lies in order).

Once these photos were released Indian government immediately said this.

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"No structures damaged and no PLA detained."

Like come on. Who is clearly lying. India says A and then says Z.
You are quoting two seperate incidents, one in uttarakhand and the other in Tawang. And India actually officially denied some of those media reports before China released those pictures.
 

ougoah

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Indian trolls online (mostly the jai hind bhakt variety) are vehemently denying this and simultaneously using Bollywood film clips with thoroughly Indian looking actors playing "Chinese" and using that to present supa barat narratives. Have some shame will you? Like honestly how do these Indians not feel embarrassed for using movie clips?

First it was faking clips using games and Pakistani movies and non existent 5th floors of 3 storey hotels and now bollywood scenes to tell their delusions.

How do you reject real photos which is supplied by a government that can be called out and debunked if they lied about it (hint China obviously didn't lie otherwise the Indians would have jumped on it within 2 mins) and have the Indian government in TOTAL SILENCE. Why doesn't the Indian government deny the photos and deny China's official details if they are not true? Why is Modi a chickenshit quivering in the corner as he does his usual propaganda nonsense? I feel for sane Indians having bhakt overrun their country and a man as pathetic as Modi lead it! Courage, Intelligence, Cunning, Leadership, Benevolence - can only have two max three and Modi picked none... he picked t-shirts that say Modi-Modi-Modi-Modi-Modi-Modi... printed on it and a daft looking face that refuses to recognise indian atrocities and social crimes while doing yoga and placating racist Hindutva... oh and let's not forget creepy pervy comments to women Modi likes to make and of course pandering to the whole Hindu masculinity narrative RSS and that ilk also promote. Hindutva trolls are very masculine behind computer screens when calling Chinese men dwarf sissies but are in reality nearly 10cm shorter than Chinese men on average and got their asses handed to them in a fist fight.
 
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Cyclist

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LOL, yeah, like this guy right here..

Oh wait, nevermind, he's actually a retired indian major general. Really tells you about the quality of opinions these indians brought whenever they quoted some random ass retired indian generals and become visibly confused/upset when they are not taken seriously heh..
OMG, what an embarassment, really shameless Indian. We are talking about a senior retired Indian general here....
 

ougoah

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OMG, what an embarassment, really shameless Indian. We are talking about a senior retired Indian general here....

Is it not clear why they do this though? I mean what's changed. Bhakts always behaved this way. They would say India conquered Beijing right after PLA marches into New Delhi. They would still try to preserve their precious perceptions they spent nearly all their efforts building.
 

ougoah

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Can we get a confession for once of your multiple lies already? @twineedle

Hello?? Are you playing dead again with me just like every time when we're having the galwan clash discussion?

So are indians actually peddling fake news on a large scale, including influential people, or is it just as you said, only "random social media users" ? :rolleyes:

Just from longmarch's comment and the indian trolls online you can see that india is that guy who loses, gets absolutely annihilated in a game and then has to shittalk you even as a loser and shamelessly initiate the shittalking.

Shukla is busy talking about how Chinese aerobatics team is worse than India's. Sawhney as a sensible Indian man doesn't like engaging in fantasy and delusion. Fantasies and delusions that are aimed at belittling others btw so not exactly harmless stuff. Indians are the champions of this sort of stuff and maybe they learned it from the Brits. Dehumanise, make fun of, condemn, spin spin spin. Well you don't have any monopoly on violence and engaging in promoting BS only incites others to do the same. I know Indians do have a talent for talk and will talk endlessly down to semantics and even dodgier tactics like ignoring certain things they know aren't good to talk about and refocus on another topic that suits their narrative. But honestly they are asking for all the ones they talk against to also start raising their voices.

10 years ago there was rarely a Chinese voice to dispell Indians nonsense and argue against them. Nowadays there are more and more diaspora waking up to Indians and their ways. Many friends who were previously pro India and totally unaware of reality have recent years woken up ... to all of it. The more these push the more people look, think, learn, and realise.
 
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But that's the loser's thinking i.e. Indian. India is silent. China has explained every single detail after de-escalation. The Chinese sensibly waited until the situation de-escalated to release details and Indian gov accepted all the details with total silence.

China did not lack transparency. It said on record how many losses it suffered and what happened. India couldn't challenge it because they know it is correct and true.
After how many months? In the aftermath, India was putting forward all sorts of claims - much of it repeated in the international press.

I think they saw their mistake and corrected it.
India lacked transparency. India did not report on what happened and what it claimed happened was proven to be false after - Indians were totally unarmed and ambushed by Chinese. This was proven false as Indians were armed, were well equipped and attacked the Chinese in June. This is China's official narrative and India accepted it since all the evidence is there.

Indian propaganda is always there and always proliferating. At this moment they are using an Indian movie to counter new photos released.

India lacked transparency in not providing accurate narrative and when opposite narrative came out officially why didn't they challenge it or prove anything they said? How come China's side is the only one that provides any photos and videos? How come the only photo Indian provided was one they used as propaganda which was IA intruding and capturing parts of Reqin which they were very quickly pushed out of. And of course the video of them beating up a single PLA officer who exited his vehicle.
Indian propaganda is bad and embellished to put it mildly. I don't think you'll find many people in the world who would disagree. However it works for the intended audience - the Indian domestic population.

Crop up? secure buffer and no more incidents. Indians can invade and get annihilated or they can do these sorts of games where they still lose and gain nothing.

Just because Chinese side waited until after de-escalation and securing two buffers before showing just how humiliating this was for India, only shows China offered India so much face. More than they should to be honest.

If China released the details that the PLA beat the IA black and blue and captured dozens while IA captured 0 PLA during June and killed 4 PLA in cold blood, then I would suggest that is foolish. It would incite both sides and it would have caused so much humiliation for Modi right back in June 2020. Modi would have been forced to war basically. Something the Indian military and government dared not do and had no intention of doing. Otherwise why didn't India just go to war?? Obviously they never wanted it and preferred those million man tactics. The Chinese side was too kind to play by their rules and fist fight the Indians.
If it were up to me, after the incident I would have flooded international with evidence of the Indian intrusion, including the assault on the unarmed civilian. I'd have the Indian POWs in front of cameras saying what went down - including the fact they were rescued by the Chinese army after being abandoned to die by their army. I'd have the Indian ambassador summoned and asked to explain the intrusion and point out further escalation will be reciprocated. Once the Indians come to their senses and agree to SQA I'd have the Indian POWs released back to India.

I doubt Modi would be stupid enough to declare war on China, we all saw what happened when Abindhrananan was captured by the Pakistanis.

As for it being a loser's mentality, its the difference between a military victory and being able to convert that to strategic victory. America won every battle in Iraq/Afghanistan, but still lost the war. Not saying the situation is anywhere near as bad as that, but I feel the aftermath wasn't managed as well as it should have been.

No one wants a conflict with India, China has bigger and more difficult enemies. But not nipping a problem in the bud early will lead to a bigger problem in the future. The biggest concern I now have is the Americans latching on to the Indians and encouraging them to try something similar again.
 
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