Ladakh Flash Point

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coolieno99

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GMD / KMT actually still contests the sovereignty of Mongolia and blocked their entry into the UN while holding the China seat. As for declaring independence, the East Turkestan Republic, which held parts of Xinjiang, was similarly independent, but the Soviets backstabbed their leadership and handed the territory to the Chinese.

Treating Chinese territorial integrity as inviolate when China has negotiated border settlements with various countries is complete garbage and gives people the sense you're an ultranationalist.

Point is, though, despite the fact that China will negotiate borders, it has no reason to with India when India, first, is actually expansionistic (annexed Goa, annexed Sikkim), and second, is busy aligning with an enemy state.
After annexation of Sikkim (under duress) by India , Indians start moving into Sikkim. The Sikkimese (related to Tibetans) have become a minority in their own country.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Luckily I am not looking for validation from strangers in a defence forum.
I recognize this is a Chinese oriented forum with its obvious leanings.
And i also applaud your sense of humor with the even handed comment.
In a defence or a security environment, human life unfortunately becomes secondary to larger aims. Important to present a confident and united front. Ofcourse countries like India cannot do that with the cut throat politics we have.
I went through quite a few pages of this thread and most of the discussion centres on media writings and discussions in India. It would be better if the Chinese media thoughts on this conflict are also referred to. And i dont mean official media accounts.
You're here on a fishing expedition to either support or dispel your implicit and ideological bias on China. If you're not willing to take or absorb the explanation and reportings made by Chinese publications then what sort of "media" are you looking for? What is your intent and or intentions with your veiled attempt to come off neutral or objective truth seeker regarding the deadly clash that took place at Ladakh last June. Most of the people that are leaving comments here are either Chinese from China or are from largely Chinese diaspora all over over anglosphere and some that are non-Chinese but are objective with their views on China's rise and role in the global order.

If you're here hoping to fish for and or support the nonsensical notion that the PLA indeed lost 50 soldiers from their clash with the IAF am sorry to tell you that Bollywood fictional version will not come your way but is firmly entrenched within the figment of ardent Indian nationalists. I know am coming off very aggressive and pushing back against your seemingly innocent questions but I just can't help but think that you have ulterior motives that's not so innocent. If you have any rudimentary understanding of geopolitics you would have at least understand the actions and perspectives of your adversary especially if someone like you have a decent understanding and respect to your country's adversary which is China. But no, you neither possesses to bother with understanding the country, it's people, culture, and it's unprecedented rise in every objective criterias of economy, military, and socio-political order and most importantly the political governance and party that has made the current success of China possible.

It's not our job or my job in this case to spoon fed you the information you seek when your intention(s) isn't exactly clear as day and when you hide from the veneer of simply seeking truth from facts. I on the other hand have read about your country's history, read up on your country's leadership parties and leaders including Modi. It's not by all means an exhaustive study nor am I arrogant enough to claim that I know everything to know about India because that's just arrogant and disrespectful to your country's vast complex history.

Having said that, Tibet isn't part of India never was and never will be. The boundary disputes I hope will be settled peacefully and amicably. I hope that India isn't going to continue with it's misplaced adventurism trying to dislodge or damage China's BRI in Pakistan and the central Asian region. I can only hope for my country's and yours sake that no war happens because that will be a tragedy for both countries. Just to paraphrase one of Gen.James Mattis often cited quote "But please do understand we want nothing but peace, but am pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: that if you ... with China, then God help us all."
 

coolieno99

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This is the real battle that needs to be fought --- the war against poverty. Not some petty contest over how much expensive overrated weapons you can buy from foreign countries.
ALL (100%) Tibetan villages have been electrified - meaning they can installed TVs, computers, modern lightings and electric heaters in their homes. Many who lived in huts were moved to modern apartments. They have free education and affordable healthcare. Modern greenhouses were erected to provide vegetables all year round. The thriving tourism industry was created to provide high incomes. There's even a Tibetan woman helicopter pilot who flies tourists on sightseeing tours.
There's no way Tibet will fall to India, all India can provide is poverty.
 

Kaine

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You're here on a fishing expedition to either support or dispel your implicit and ideological bias on China. If you're not willing to take or absorb the explanation and reportings made by Chinese publications then what sort of "media" are you looking for? What is your intent and or intentions with your veiled attempt to come off neutral or objective truth seeker regarding the deadly clash that took place at Ladakh last June. Most of the people that are leaving comments here are either Chinese from China or are from largely Chinese diaspora all over over anglosphere and some that are non-Chinese but are objective with their views on China's rise and role in the global order.

If you're here hoping to fish for and or support the nonsensical notion that the PLA indeed lost 50 soldiers from their clash with the IAF am sorry to tell you that Bollywood fictional version will not come your way but is firmly entrenched within the figment of ardent Indian nationalists. I know am coming off very aggressive and pushing back against your seemingly innocent questions but I just can't help but think that you have ulterior motives that's not so innocent. If you have any rudimentary understanding of geopolitics you would have at least understand the actions and perspectives of your adversary especially if someone like you have a decent understanding and respect to your country's adversary which is China. But no, you neither possesses to bother with understanding the country, it's people, culture, and it's unprecedented rise in every objective criterias of economy, military, and socio-political order and most importantly the political governance and party that has made the current success of China possible.

It's not our job or my job in this case to spoon fed you the information you seek when your intention(s) isn't exactly clear as day and when you hide from the veneer of simply seeking truth from facts. I on the other hand have read about your country's history, read up on your country's leadership parties and leaders including Modi. It's not by all means an exhaustive study nor am I arrogant enough to claim that I know everything to know about India because that's just arrogant and disrespectful to your country's vast complex history.

Having said that, Tibet isn't part of India never was and never will be. The boundary disputes I hope will be settled peacefully and amicably. I hope that India isn't going to continue with it's misplaced adventurism trying to dislodge or damage China's BRI in Pakistan and the central Asian region. I can only hope for my country's and yours sake that no war happens because that will be a tragedy for both countries. Just to paraphrase one of Gen.James Mattis often cited quote "But please do understand we want nothing but peace, but am pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: that if you ... with China, then God help us all."
You are very committed but you are wasting your time on this, mate

Just say to him that India ambushed and killed in cold blood 4 (5?) innocent PLA soldiers and China responded accordingly to this blatant provocation.

That we still have people here after 1 year, asking "but how could China act like this?" is ridiculous
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
The boss thanks the service men stationed in Tibet

Chinese President Xi Jinping Meets Representatives of Troops Stationed in Tibet​

Chinese President Xi Jinping met with representatives of officers and soldiers of the armed forces stationed in southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region on Friday.
 

Maula Jatt

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Actually even after more than 60 years of refuge in India, their is zero resentment against the Tibetans in India. Which is a wonderful thing going by Pakistan's experience with the Afghan refugees.
You find them selling stuff all over india in prime spots.
Literally this is exactly what Afghan refugees do in Pak maybe even in Ban with rohingya

Don't know why this is being used to big up India, same thing happens with almost everyother refugee in the world (especially in devoloping world where "selling" is part of informal economy- few avenues to earn income formally)

And wasn't India really hostile towards Muslim Rohingyas

So Tibetan refugees are kosher because they can be used against China?

But same curtosy cannot be extended to other muslim refugees?

Say it how it is, Tibetans are being used as pawns by GOI for decades...
 

Inst

Captain
ALL (100%) Tibetan villages have been electrified - meaning they can installed TVs, computers, modern lightings and electric heaters in their homes. Many who lived in huts were moved to modern apartments. They have free education and affordable healthcare. Modern greenhouses were erected to provide vegetables all year round. The thriving tourism industry was created to provide high incomes. There's even a Tibetan woman helicopter pilot who flies tourists on sightseeing tours.
There's no way Tibet will fall to India, all India can provide is poverty.
A big difference between India and China, though, is the level of religiosity.

Studying India, it's shocking to discover that Hinduism isn't all that different from Islam in being orthopraxic (acting Hindu makes you Hindu), and that religion to Indians is a key part of social life.

Traditional Tibet, mind you, was a theocracy. So having a strong religious proclivity means that Tibet is likely to tilt toward India on a cultural basis. This is something that can be remedied by education, but if the traditional culture is religious, it will be hard to get Tibetans to shift their mindset fully.
 
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