He specifically said India's Thakung camp is within China's perception, and that China's perception is west of what is shown on Google maps.
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Did you read the India today Article I posted? The Indian Army never attempted to capture Black and Helmet Top. Nitin gokhale, who has difect sources from the Army, confirmed this immediately. India simply occupied the lower heights of black and Helmet to preempt China from crossing into Indian territory. This has been stated by the Indian Army multiple times.
Uhh no. Indian army attempted to cross well past Black and Helmet Top and DID go past those mountains into the 80% and possibly even further into China proper.
Those GlobalTimes articles (and a few like those) mentioned this event.
Indian troops released two videos (iirc) showing their soldiers in Reqin (a big place and typical Indian fashion no details on exactly where and leaving the jai hinds to masturbate with) dancing and making boastful claims they've occupied chinese territory.
When this happened between August and Sep 2020 the internet Indians were on heat and I recall the attitudes and messages.
Soon it was cold water as PLA eventually realised the Indians want to play this stupid game and waste of time and moved to southern Pangong sections to meet those Indians and vacate them.
Which is why in later September, the Chinese state used less official sources (but mouthpieces nonetheless) to confirm the Indians were expelled and stopped officially complaining about Indian intrusion. Then in later 2020 videos and photos made their way into media showing PLA on peak of Black and Helmet top which both sides conception of LAC indicate is the demarcation of LAC - PLA sitting on it i.e. Indians not east of that.
He specifically said India's Thakung camp is within China's perception, and that China's perception is west of what is shown on Google maps.
But China never occupied those spaces at all just like it never occupied F3 to F8 before the clash.
So basically you think that's a win for India?? Really? I knew Jai Hinds were pathetic but this is another level.
You do realise that during this entire time (at every single moment after 1962 war) China has "given back" territory it won and has not occupied from LAC to Thakung. So while you want to pretend the Chinese were there and the Indians drove them back, the reality is that China was 10s of km behind LAC and the space between Thakung and LAC was empty, with Indians patrolling it. The nearest PLA camp is so far from Thakung which is an Indian camp.
So how on earth is this anything worth mentioning? Embarrassing.
The source you provided says something completely different.Uhh no. Indian army attempted to cross well past Black and Helmet Top and DID go past those mountains into the 80% and possibly even further into China proper.
Those GlobalTimes articles (and a few like those) mentioned this event.
Indian troops released two videos (iirc) showing their soldiers in Reqin (a big place and typical Indian fashion no details on exactly where and leaving the jai hinds to masturbate with) dancing and making boastful claims they've occupied chinese territory.
When this happened between August and Sep 2020 the internet Indians were on heat and I recall the attitudes and messages.
Soon it was cold water as PLA eventually realised the Indians want to play this stupid game and waste of time and moved to southern Pangong sections to meet those Indians and vacate them.
Which is why in later September, the Chinese state used less official sources (but mouthpieces nonetheless) to confirm the Indians were expelled and stopped officially complaining about Indian intrusion. Then in later 2020 videos and photos made their way into media showing PLA on peak of Black and Helmet top which both sides conception of LAC indicate is the demarcation of LAC - PLA sitting on it i.e. Indians not east of that.
"Reportedly, the Indian Army on August 31 said that Chinese troops "carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo" near Pangong Tso lake on the night of August 29/30 but they were blocked and thwarted by Indian Army soldiers."
Please provide any source that confirms India went East of Rechin La, Black Top and Helmet Top. I have already provided multiple Indian Army sources.
On the scale of Jai Hind interpretations of national vigour and embarrassment, they want to pretend anything that China claims but does not control it is a failure of China and therefore a defeat of China and a default win for India.
China claims up to a certain line (which btw it has wanted to settle with plenty given to India proving it isn't truly intending to control everything up to its claims otherwise it wouldn't be willing to demarcate east of claims like its been willing to since 1959). When did China occupy and control those areas? It hasn't unless we go to 1962.
Well for Jai Hind measure of embarrassment then what does that make India? It's totally lost Aksai China and all the surrounds the size of Switzerland. Isn't that an even greater defeat and embarrassment? At least China never even tried to take up to its claims between 1962 and now. The last time it did, it won it and then much more and gave it all back to India, requested buffer or demarcation which India refused.
China claims up to a certain line (which btw it has wanted to settle with plenty given to India proving it isn't truly intending to control everything up to its claims otherwise it wouldn't be willing to demarcate east of claims like its been willing to since 1959). When did China occupy and control those areas? It hasn't unless we go to 1962.
Well for Jai Hind measure of embarrassment then what does that make India? It's totally lost Aksai China and all the surrounds the size of Switzerland. Isn't that an even greater defeat and embarrassment? At least China never even tried to take up to its claims between 1962 and now. The last time it did, it won it and then much more and gave it all back to India, requested buffer or demarcation which India refused.
The reason the Indian Army occupied those points in the first place was to preempt the PLA. The Indian Army itself said that. The Kailash operation wasn't just done to obtain a bargaining chip, but because India had intel that PLA was using its positions at Black and Helmet Top to move into the Chushul Gap.But China never occupied those spaces at all just like it never occupied F3 to F8 before the clash.
So basically you think that's a win for India?? Really? I knew Jai Hinds were pathetic but this is another level.
You do realise that during this entire time (at every single moment after 1962 war) China has "given back" territory it won and has not occupied from LAC to Thakung. So while you want to pretend the Chinese were there and the Indians drove them back, the reality is that China was 10s of km behind LAC and the space between Thakung and LAC was empty, with Indians patrolling it. The nearest PLA camp is so far from Thakung which is an Indian camp.
So how on earth is this anything worth mentioning? Embarrassing.
The source you provided says something completely different.
"Reportedly, the Indian Army on August 31 said that Chinese troops "carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo" near Pangong Tso lake on the night of August 29/30 but they were blocked and thwarted by Indian Army soldiers."
Please provide any source that confirms India went East of Rechin La, Black Top and Helmet Top. I have already provided multiple Indian Army sources.
Read that link it says the claim from India is their soldiers went "3.5km" into Reqin. This was around the same time Chinese articles and state media claimed India intruded into Reqin.
I don't know why you are being so confrontational. I am simply providing Indian sources which refute you claims about the Indian operations at South Pangong. You still haven't addressed them.On the scale of Jai Hind interpretations of national vigour and embarrassment, they want to pretend anything that China claims but does not control it is a failure of China and therefore a defeat of China and a default win for India.
China claims up to a certain line (which btw it has wanted to settle with plenty given to India proving it isn't truly intending to control everything up to its claims otherwise it wouldn't be willing to demarcate east of claims like its been willing to since 1959). When did China occupy and control those areas? It hasn't unless we go to 1962.
Well for Jai Hind measure of embarrassment then what does that make India? It's totally lost Aksai China and all the surrounds the size of Switzerland. Isn't that an even greater defeat and embarrassment? At least China never even tried to take up to its claims between 1962 and now. The last time it did, it won it and then much more and gave it all back to India, requested buffer or demarcation which India refused.
As for clarifying the border, you are conveniently leaving out the fact that China has been refusing to accept any settlement without India ceding Tawang in Arunachal. Which makes sense, considering Tawang and a few other border areas are the only places in Arunachal that are ethnically Tibetan, and Tawang is also a religiously and culturally significant place for Tibetan Buddhists. The rest of Arunachal is populated by a variety of tribes like Nagas, bodos, burmans, and other sino-tibetan groups.
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So you are saying that Global Times said that unnamed indian sources said India intruded? This of course contradicts all official statements that were made at the time, as well as sources from reputable journalists like Shiv Aroor and Nitin gokhale.Read that link it says the claim from India is their soldiers went "3.5km" into Reqin. This was around the same time Chinese articles and state media claimed India intruded into Reqin.
You have still conveniently failed to provide an explanation for why China suddenly agreed to India's terms on Pangong disengagement during the 6th round, while it had been insisting on nothing but "equidistant disengagement" before that.
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I don't know why you are being so confrontational. I am simply providing Indian sources which refute you claims about the Indian operations at South Pangong. You still haven't addressed them.
As for clarifying the border, you are conveniently leaving out the fact that China has been refusing to accept any settlement without India ceding Tawang in Arunachal. Which makes sense, considering Tawang and a few other border areas are the only places in Arunachal that are ethnically Tibetan, and Tawang is also a religiously and culturally significant place for Tibetan Buddhists.
I've addressed every point you've made and made the effort to show and explain everything within context (since bhakts love taking context away e.g. your Thakung point).
Correct. China doesn't budge when it deals with India. It's ceded territory and settled disputes with other south asian neighbours and central asian ones. It doesn't cede what is disputed and were parts of Tibet. India is equally stubborn though and both have been disputing these things since the 1950s.
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