Indeed India is not only encroaching on China's territory (claims on the disputed) but sitting within Chinese claims as China is sitting within India's claims. China only recently got India out of Pangong but India insists on sitting elsewhere within that 20%. China has been in control of the rest since the border war but is unwilling to even allow India this slice. It has no reason to cede this 20% to India when India still makes official claim upon the entire legacy dispute. If all of those are dropped, then there is a greater chance for a settlement on the 20% that India considers favourable but it is unwilling to drop the claim on Aksai Chin and surrounds.
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Indeed India is not only encroaching on China's territory (claims on the disputed) but sitting within Chinese claims as China is sitting within India's claims. China only recently got India out of Pangong but India insists on sitting elsewhere within that 20%. China has been in control of the rest since the border war but is unwilling to even allow India this slice. It has no reason to cede this 20% to India when India still makes official claim upon the entire legacy dispute. If all of those are dropped, then there is a greater chance for a settlement on the 20% that India considers favourable but it is unwilling to drop the claim on Aksai Chin and surrounds.
When there are statements like these:
Why should we take this article and you seriously?
Here are these well established facts:
1) India took the opportunity of the Covid-19 outbreak in Wuhan to capture territory from China's Aksai Chin. India was the one that believed that China was collapsing from its Covid-19 outbreak. This is fact, because unlike you and your fellow Jai Hinds, we and the Chinese have proper long term memories. The India-China border conflict didn't start when the PLA went into Aksai Chin and reassert China's sovereignty. It started in the news headlines in India as early as Jan-Feb, proclaiming at that time that: "this time is China's end and India's time rise".
2) Indian troops before Galwan were extremely bullish about confronting China. Drunk by the Jai Hind delusions of India Superpower, they first assaulted a PLA patrol at Pangong lake, severely injuring a PLA officer. Still not sober, they ambushed a PLA negotiating party and viciously killed 4 PLA soldiers. They finally got slapped into reality after getting their asses handed to them when the PLA finally brought in their brawlers. Many of the Jawans who died, did so while fleeing. There are few humiliations in warfare that can match that.
Look at this crap, again the Indians want to talk about this so called 'success':
The PLA did respond. We all have seen the video and reports of the PLA troops assaulting Indian Jawans on that hilltop with the Jawans routed and fleeing at the end, even when defending from high ground. Whether true or not, some Indians later speculated that 'microwave weapons' were used on the Jawans. At the end of the negotiations at Pangong lake, India ceded that peak to China. Again, this is India trying to conjure 'success' out of a humiliating failure.
The title: Himalayan Blunder 2020 says it all. Only, its actually a case of Indian projection on China. It was the Indian Himalayan Blunder of 2020. India thought it could take advantage of China when Covid-19 was raging in Wuhan. Instead, India got its ass whooped by China. Just like after Operation Swift Retort by Pakistan, India tried to conjure success out of humiliating failure. But only Jai Hinds and fools are buying it. After that, its a series of calamity for India from then on. India's own failure with Covid-19, India's 'superpower economy' tanking, India spending excessively on military imports with too limited returns, and now having China upgrade its PLA forces facing India to a level of formidability that starts to rival its Eastern Theater. Historians will look back at this and label this an Indian Himalayan Blunder of 2020. @voyager1 was absolutely correct when he put up that photo of a clown.
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The amount of disrespect being shown to upcoming shupa pawah is unbelievable. I have never seen anyone disrespecting such a proud 10 thousand year old anglish speaking nation in my life.
... "Nobaron" huh?
It's cute.
Welcome back.
Lol I guess CNN and Reuters are fake news now?
During the 5th round of talks, China was refusing to even consider restoring Status Quo Ante unless India would vacate finger 2 or even leave the finger area entirely under "equidistant disengagement." Obviously, something changed between the 5th and 6th rounds, and China vacated everything it ":captured." And the video you are referring to has been identified as being from May, not last fall.
Keep trolling if it makes you feel better.
Yes, CNN and Reuters are fake news.
Any network that does not refute or challenge the false Uyghur genocide claim are fake new, PERIOD.
Is chanakyaforum real news?
Still calling it "Indian territory" rather than what it is, disputed territory. Disputed since the founding of both modern nations, under the sovereignty of Tibet which was a part of China and then the Republic of China and then the People's Republic of China. While the ROC was supposed to have claimed these disputes, India was not even a nation in its modern sense and at no point in the history of this disputed territory was it ever a part of British Raj or modern India. Yet all of them are calling this "Indian territory", whether the person/group considers it a loss to China or a make belief, feel good "victory" of basically nothing except at best "restoring status quo" to a state where Indian troops are not even allowed a step beyond F3 - China's 1950s settlement offer. Nice one bhakts. So much for status quo. Your own 4* General admitted officially that India patrolled and intruded into disputed territory more than 10 times as frequently as PLA... implying that China had no interest to stoke flames here and only went out to meet and expel Indians going into the 20%... just like the Chinese state has been saying from day 1.
Contrast with Indian state which from day 1 wanted to deny there were confrontations and eventually all the truth flooded out and washed those Indian lies away. What happened to those Jai Hind troll statements from way back? They've all aged like milk. China has proven to have said 1 version of the story from day 1 at every step of the way and not a single thing said has been proven wrong or challenged. Contrast with India. We've lost count how many times Indian statements have been proven or admitted to be false.
Should we run through that list again?
The "worst" China has done was to withhold information for a time when they considered it strategically important to or diplomatically sensitive. After escalations cooled down, China reported and India left unable to challenge because it understands the evidence have all been collected... even by foreign observers with eyes in space. Not a single one chooses to challenge China's version of events because 1. it is the truth which they understand it to be as well and 2. China has collected enough evidence to embarrass whatever lies Indian state chooses to propagate.
Notice the absolute silence from Indian state. Apart from some propaganda puff pieces, not a single objective statement made on any of the past events and the current status where India refuses to vacate points within 20%, perpetuating the standoff with PLA and China which will not cede the 20% to india. It's been tiring how inconsistent indian official statements have been and often times contradictory.
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The funniest one is this.
India: ChyynnAAA so bad and beat us with iron bars with nails! look here at this random out of context photo with no establishment angle!
India: Wait nothing is happening we got it handled chinkis are so weak one of our guys killed 12 with his bare hands. BTW our boys have no equipment or arms.
China: ...
India: Boys we went into China in Kailash!
China: piss off
India: okay I'm going
China: Let me show you some teaser photos and videos showing your soldiers tied up, IA captives, IA being pushed back when engaged in fights, PLA totally outnumbered by IA, IA armed with riot gear PPE and iron bars, PLA soldiers with no protective equipment arguing with well armed and equipped Indians, Indian commander executed to instigating June fight attack on Chinese camp position (PROVEN by all parties including foreign observers that Indians attacked Chinese position). BTW we did suffer casualties like we always said, 4 PLA were murdered by IA a few of those 4 were murdered when they were captured by IA you can see one event which Indians themselves shared. Didn't want to report it back then when the situation was hot to de-escalate otherwise your clowns would be begging for a bigger ass kicking and the situation would never de-escalate. Oh btw and here's a video of IA on its side of Kailash after being expelled and here's PLA occupying the peak like it has been agreed between the two nations since this part isn't disputed.
India: ... ... ...
China definitely showed the Indian state a bit of what they've collected in terms of evidence during the entire confrontation throughout the year. Foreign intel hasn't challenged China once on any of it. India wants to share and show anything it has even a vid of their soldiers beating one PLA who came out of vehicle unarmed for dialogue. Proving India would have shared anything that it considers remotely "victorious" so if that and the vids of Indians dancing somewhere in Kailash is all they have, that isn't a victory, in fact in the sum of things, it has been utter humiliating defeat for India in every space of this confrontation. Even with a China not interested and one hand tied. This is western theatre command we're talking about and India prime.
India: ChyynnAAA so bad and beat us with iron bars with nails! look here at this random out of context photo with no establishment angle!
India: Wait nothing is happening we got it handled chinkis are so weak one of our guys killed 12 with his bare hands. BTW our boys have no equipment or arms.
China: ...
India: Boys we went into China in Kailash!
China: piss off
India: okay I'm going
China: Let me show you some teaser photos and videos showing your soldiers tied up, IA captives, IA being pushed back when engaged in fights, PLA totally outnumbered by IA, IA armed with riot gear PPE and iron bars, PLA soldiers with no protective equipment arguing with well armed and equipped Indians, Indian commander executed to instigating June fight attack on Chinese camp position (PROVEN by all parties including foreign observers that Indians attacked Chinese position). BTW we did suffer casualties like we always said, 4 PLA were murdered by IA a few of those 4 were murdered when they were captured by IA you can see one event which Indians themselves shared. Didn't want to report it back then when the situation was hot to de-escalate otherwise your clowns would be begging for a bigger ass kicking and the situation would never de-escalate. Oh btw and here's a video of IA on its side of Kailash after being expelled and here's PLA occupying the peak like it has been agreed between the two nations since this part isn't disputed.
India: ... ... ...
China definitely showed the Indian state a bit of what they've collected in terms of evidence during the entire confrontation throughout the year. Foreign intel hasn't challenged China once on any of it. India wants to share and show anything it has even a vid of their soldiers beating one PLA who came out of vehicle unarmed for dialogue. Proving India would have shared anything that it considers remotely "victorious" so if that and the vids of Indians dancing somewhere in Kailash is all they have, that isn't a victory, in fact in the sum of things, it has been utter humiliating defeat for India in every space of this confrontation. Even with a China not interested and one hand tied. This is western theatre command we're talking about and India prime.
Once again, India never claimed to cross the Lac. China did, because all the peaks India occupied were within its perception of the LAC and had previously been a buffer zone. India occupied these peaks for months and there was nothing China could do about it. India never attempted to transgress its own perception of the LAC. This was confirmed by the Indian army itself
It's no coincidence that in the fifth round of talks, China had refused to restore status quo ante and demanded India completely leave the finger area as a precursor to disengagement. By the 6th round, China had removed those conditions.
It's no coincidence that in the fifth round of talks, China had refused to restore status quo ante and demanded India completely leave the finger area as a precursor to disengagement. By the 6th round, China had removed those conditions.
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Which months did India occupy which peaks?
The only thing that really happened was some Indian troops crossed into China in Reqin (reported by both sides) and within two weeks they left. The entire time they were there, China was reporting on it and then after two weeks, China reported that the Indians were "expelled" out of China and stopped complaining about India intruding into what China regards as China proper (part of the 80%).
So kindly stop lying and exaggerating stuff.
Which finger did China request India leave on the 5th round of talks? Do you have official transcripts of the 5th round and 6th round?
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