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Mohsin77

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He is good, but a little too alarmist.

Well, his job is to figure out the worst case scenarios in the threat matrix. But before he even mentioned China's advanced capabilities, he first (again) covered the logistical advantages that the PLA has, which are fundamental, and clearly stated that India cannot compete even in this area, let alone the advanced EW/Network capabilities. So he did proceed logically up the ladder.

The most alarming thing for India should be his assessment that he does not expect any improvements in doctrine for the Indian military, due to inertia and stubbornness.
 
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Nobonita Barua

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Well in this finger finger game, i guess people will get clear picture of who is winning in what they are calling finger 4
 

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Chinese troops are using all-terrain walking excavators to speed up road-building and other construction work in the rugged Himalayas near the country’s disputed border with India, where
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The heavy machines, also known as spider excavators for the way they move, can be seen in the background of a video showing People’s Liberation Army soldiers on the Tibetan plateau by the Yarlung Tsangpo River, or Brahmaputra as it is known in India. The footage was released last week by the PLA’s Tibet Military District, which looks after the frontier with India.
With four hydraulic legs on tyres and two sawtooth extensions, the excavators can stand and step over obstacles, walk across ditches and streams, and climb and work on near-vertical terrain.
The PLA uses two models made by state-owned firm XCMG Construction Machinery in Jiangsu province – one that weighs 11 tonnes and can walk at 10km/h (6.2mph), and another that can be operated remotely without a driver. They are also used for emergency rescue operations by China’s paramilitary People’s Armed Police.

Both China and India have in recent years been upgrading infrastructure along their Line of Actual Control – a 3,488km (2,167-mile) unmarked boundary that has seen decades of claims and counterclaims.


These construction projects have led to increased skirmishes between border troops, including a long stand-off at the Doklam plateau in 2017, and a brawl on June 15 in the Galwan Valley, part of the disputed Ladakh region in Kashmir, which left at least 20 Indian soldiers dead, with an undisclosed number of Chinese casualties.

The two militaries agreed to disengage after
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– their first fatal clash since 1975 – but both sides have continued to deploy reinforcements, which has highlighted the need to improve infrastructure in the remote region.

Building roads and infrastructure on the “roof of the world” is a tough job given its elevation of more than 4,000 metres (13,123 feet) and the treacherous terrain and conditions. As well as harsh weather, the region is prone to earthquakes, landslides and floods.


Even transporting the heavy construction equipment to the front line is a dangerous mission. Two people were injured on the Indian side of the frontier on June 22, when a bridge collapsed as their truck was driving across it.

The truck was carrying a tracked excavator that was to be used to build a road from the village of Milam towards the Chinese border in the state of Uttarakhand.


Still, the PLA appears to be building up a presence that includes heavy machinery in an area where there is no road, with construction work being carried out at a fast pace.
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just a day after the deadly clash last month.

In just a week, a camp had been built on the Chinese side, with a passage widened along the mountains, crossings built on the river and a temporary dam constructed, according to the satellite photographs taken by Earth-imaging company Planet Labs.
 

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This doesn't look like a reliable source... more like a tabloid rumour mill.

It's front page article right now:
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Versus official rebuttal:
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mitbbs is just a news aggregator + forum where all kinds of stuff gets posted with little to no moderation, including both anti-China and pro-China tabloid type of material. The particular post I linked to was cross-posted on various Chinese forums and the content seems very plausible because most of the information we've already seen from other sources in bits and pieces and it connects them together.

The new info or claims (new to me at least) are regarding Chinese casualties:
  1. The lone Chinese liaison officer seen on video being beaten by Indian soldiers at Pangong Tso in May was severely injured and died several days later.
  2. On 6/15, after Chinese troops withdrew from the Galwan valley camp near the LAC, a few construction workers remained to look after the construction equipment that were to be shipped out the next day. These few construction workers were beaten by colonel Babu and his men, with 4 construction workers suffering serious injuries.
  3. In addition to the dead liaison officer from earlier at Pangong Tso and the 4 seriously injured construction workers, another 12 Chinese soldiers suffered light injuries in the fighting at Galwan valley after rescuing the construction workers.
(Pangong Tso in May)
中方边防部队分别于5月5日和5月10日,派出联络人员前往印军修路工地,表示反对
印军单方面改变现状。印军驱逐并殴打前往联络的人员,砸毁联络人员乘坐的车辆,致
使中方一名联络人员重伤。
...
(Galwan Valley in June)
由巴布上校带领的连队到达加勒万河谷的中方营地后,发现中方营地只剩少数施工
人员,并无部队,就派士兵前往驱逐中方人员,并让士兵拆除和烧毁中方帐篷。中方施
工人员是留下来看受未及撤走的施工设备的,准备第二天全部撤走,结果有四人被打成
重伤。
...
(Summary of Chinese casualties)
中方先前一名联络人员在受重伤后,数日后牺牲,四名施工人员受重伤,十二名士兵受轻伤。
 

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mitbbs is just a news aggregator + forum where all kinds of stuff gets posted with little to no moderation, including both anti-China and pro-China tabloid type of material. The particular post I linked to was cross-posted on various Chinese forums and the content seems very plausible because most of the information we've already seen from other sources in bits and pieces and it connects them together.

The new info or claims (new to me at least) are regarding Chinese casualties:
  1. The lone Chinese liaison officer seen on video being beaten by Indian soldiers at Pangong Tso in May was severely injured and died several days later.
  2. On 6/15, after Chinese troops withdrew from the Galwan valley camp near the LAC, a few construction workers remained to look after the construction equipment that were to be shipped out the next day. These few construction workers were beaten by colonel Babu and his men, with 4 construction workers suffering serious injuries.
  3. In addition to the dead liaison officer from earlier at Pangong Tso and the 4 seriously injured construction workers, another 12 Chinese soldiers suffered light injuries in the fighting at Galwan valley after rescuing the construction workers.

Sounds like those dead Indian soldiers got what was coming to them!
 

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mitbbs is just a news aggregator + forum where all kinds of stuff gets posted with little to no moderation, including both anti-China and pro-China tabloid type of material. The particular post I linked to was cross-posted on various Chinese forums and the content seems very plausible because most of the information we've already seen from other sources in bits and pieces and it connects them together.

The new info or claims (new to me at least) are regarding Chinese casualties:
  1. The lone Chinese liaison officer seen on video being beaten by Indian soldiers at Pangong Tso in May was severely injured and died several days later.
  2. On 6/15, after Chinese troops withdrew from the Galwan valley camp near the LAC, a few construction workers remained to look after the construction equipment that were to be shipped out the next day. These few construction workers were beaten by colonel Babu and his men, with 4 construction workers suffering serious injuries.
  3. In addition to the dead liaison officer from earlier at Pangong Tso and the 4 seriously injured construction workers, another 12 Chinese soldiers suffered light injuries in the fighting at Galwan valley after rescuing the construction workers.
China should announce his death then. By revealing that one of their soldiers was ambushed and brutally beaten to death by a gang of Indian soldiers would be enough to really hurt India's victimization story, making it hard for the Indian government to defend itself. So far, India is only playing the victim, and China not releasing casualty figures really suggests that only Indian soldiers died, generating international sympathy for India. If this claim is actually true, then this is another huge missed opportunity for the Chinese foreign ministry. Note I say if because if this event did actually occur, I find it hard to believe China would keep this under cover as hiding this offers no political benefit whatsoever. India is always playing the victim card. In 1962, they got the world to believe that the China launched an invasion as an act of aggression to the likes of Nazi Germany. Now, they are claiming that the 20+ men killed were unarmed and massacred by Chinese soldiers using "medieval weaponry". Someone should call them out for their nonsense.
 
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plawolf

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The definitive Chinese version of events, finally presented by CCTV4, dedicated to the international audience. Covers the same material and photos that was presented earlier.

Pretty much confirms that the Indian Colonel went rouge, as it was stressed multiple times by multiple commentators that one of the key Chinese demands, which was agreed by India, is that both sides (Which is diplomatic Chinese language meaning India) need to impose tighter control and enforce greater discipline amongst frontline troops.

Other than that, there wasn’t anything new in that segment that we don’t already know.
 
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