Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[dratsabknihcllik]

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#1 is from people who are in the denial stage.

#2 is from people in the bargaining stage.

The demand for China to be "accountable" are from people in the anger stage.

Agree but many of them hold important positions in media and it will not be very tough for them to create a global narrative.

 

[getready]

Via Viva Zhou

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China and South Korea offer lessons in how to curb this pandemic.

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• March 19, 2020, 7:41 p.m. ET

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The World Health Organization, for weeks now, has been making an emphatic plea to countries around the world:

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is crucial to stopping the spread of coronavirus, but it is only half of the equation. To suppress and control a pandemic of this magnitude, countries also must find and isolate every person infected with Covid-19 — including those with mild cases of the disease who don’t turn up in doctor’s offices or hospitals.

For just as long, however, officials in the United States have said

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: If you suspect you’re infected, stay home. Even those who live in close quarters with someone who faces a higher risk of becoming severely ill or dying from the infection, have been discouraged from seeking testing unless they are having difficulty breathing.

There are valid if dismaying reasons for this guidance. A

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at the White House, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration have led to intractable delays in making diagnostic tests for coronavirus widely available in the United States. The same failures have sown confusion about where and how to get tests and have forced clinicians to make tough choices about how to ration the tests that are available.

But there is no question that the W.H.O.’s approach works better. Every region that has managed to get a

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has succeeded thanks to a combination of social distancing and aggressive efforts to test as many people as possible.

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, for example, has tested some 274,000 people since February. The United States has tested

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, the vast majority of them in the past few weeks.

Epidemiological testing — where the contacts of infected people are identified, tested in turn and isolated as needed — is the only way to fully break the chains of transmission, says Adhanom Ghebreyesus Tedros, head of the W.H.O. Without it, the virus will come roaring back as soon as social distancing guidelines are relaxed.

American officials have not absorbed that lesson. Even as some cities and states enter a phase of exponential spread, with the number of confirmed cases doubling every few days or so, social distancing is not being paired with the basic epidemiology that’s needed. Contact tracing — the practice of identifying and testing every person that an infected person came into contact with after they themselves contracted the virus — has not been prioritized. Almost no efforts are underway to develop the infrastructure for quarantining the exposed or isolating the infected outside their homes, away from their families. In

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, as the case counts surge, doctors who think they’ve been exposed are being advised to keep on working.

Worst of all, widespread testing — the foundation of both clinical care and broader containment efforts — has been disastrously slow to come online in the United States. President Trump and his team have

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that tens of thousands of tests will soon be available in convenient locations across the country. But

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make clear that

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still reigns: It can take days and dozens of phone calls to access a test — at least it can if you don’t play professional basketball or star in the movies — and it still takes at least a few days to obtain results. In some cases, that’s because of backlogs; in others, it’s because of shortages.

The federal government’s mind-boggling failure has bred an apathy that’s as virulent as any microbe. With coronavirus outbreaks in the states of New York and Washington stretching into their second months, some experts have all but given up on testing, saying that the virus has probably spread well beyond our ability to contain it. Based on that logic, people who are known to have been exposed are being advised to isolate themselves at home but are not being tested to determine whether they pose a risk to roommates or relatives, nor are they being monitored for symptoms in any consistent or meaningful way. It also means those who have immunities can’t know it, and thus can’t know they are in a position to safely help those who are high risk.

In China, when officials realized that some 80 percent of Covid-19 cases involved infected people passing the virus to their family members, the government built large-scale isolation units where those people could be cared for a safe distance from their loved ones. In South Korea, when an early outbreak was pegged to

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health workers began tracing the contacts of more than 200,000 of that church’s members. They quarantined all of the people who were exposed, monitored them and sent anyone who became symptomatic to an isolation center.

In the United States, no such efforts are even in the offing.

It’s true that testing is not a panacea. When people venture out for a test, they risk becoming infected by someone else — or infecting others. But other countries have managed to mitigate such risks, and there’s no reason the United States can’t do so as well.

For one, leaders ought to dramatically increase the number of

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, which help minimize exposure to others. Epidemiologists also have suggested expediting contact tracing by redeploying health workers who have been screening passengers at airports to communities dealing with active outbreaks. Using cellphone tracking capabilities, as

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is already doing, could also help, although the privacy concerns would be substantial and adequate protections would have to be put in place.

None of these measures will be cheap or easy to implement, but neither are the tactics that officials are deploying now. The alternative scenario, in which America maintains this status quo, will be nothing short of devastating.

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Surprisingly no china bashing and nyt gets it

 

[AssassinsMace]

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Look. Trump got the dumb son of the President of Brazil to sour Sino-Brazil relations so that China goes back to the US to buy soybeans.

 

[dratsabknihcllik]

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Look. Trump got the dumb son of the President of Brazil to sour Sino-Brazil relations so that China goes back to the US to buy soybeans.

I see that the point I raised in my previous posts is somewhat getting traction.

 

[Dolcevita]

Further evidence of willful murderous criminal intent.

Photo shows "corona" crossed out and replaced with "Chinese" in Trump's briefing notes

Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post via Getty Images

President Trump's notes from Thursday's coronavirus briefing show someone crossed out the word “Corona” in coronavirus and replaced it with the word “Chinese.”
This picture captured by Washington Post Photographer Jabin Botsford, comes as Trump has stepped up his efforts to scapegoat China for the spread of the coronavirus.
The change in tone from the White House comes as the number of cases in the US rises on a daily basis, and despite Trump initially praising China's President Xi Jinping for his handling of the crisis.
After consulting with medical experts and receiving guidance from the World Health Organization, CNN has determined that the term “Chinese virus” is both inaccurate and considered stigmatizing.

 

[superdog]

Question: Did China under report it deaths from COVID-19?
Hard to believe that 80K+ cases and only 3,248 deaths. While Italy with half the number of cases has already surpassed China's number in deaths.

Not hard to believe at all, if you consider that in China only Hubei got hit as hard as Italy does, and medical resources from the entire country immediately poured in to help. For Italy, the EU countries are busy fighting each other for supplies and Italy basically received zero help from its neighbors. China, and more recently Cuba and Venezuela, did send help to Italy but it cannot be compared to the scale of help Hubei received (nor should anyone expect it to).

Italy has to choose which patient is "more worth saving" and give up on others. A significant portion of their medical workers already got infected. "Here, probably 20 to 30 percent of health care professionals got infected," D'Antiga said. "In my department, I have 25 pediatricians, and currently 10 are off sick. This is the same in other departments, and it's a major challenge" (

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). While Hubei's hospitals were also stressed and overwhelmed at the beginning, it never reached such a level of distress that Italy is still experiencing.

As you can imagine, this makes a huge difference to the mortality rate.

 

[Anlsvrthng]

More like they realized the UK population is old like Italy and their health care system sucks like Italy. They don't have the organizational capability or ability to surge doctors from other provinces like China.

I am sure it feels good, throw without thinking a sentence that satisfy your gut : )

If you bother to read the calculation they specifically corrected all foreign data with the age trees.


And surprisingly , the age tree of the UK is more healty than the Chinese .

The middle aged/under ten ratio is better in the UK, there is more child in the society than in China.

And the capacity of the healthcare system twice as big as in china per capita , there are more doctors and nurses in the UK.


I am sure you will be able to drop up same quick sentence without thinking for this post : D

 

[Anlsvrthng]

for 1, it does not matter the exact numbers,They are currently reporting 0 domestically created new cases in Wuhan, and only a few thousand still in the hospital. Such a dramatic drop can not be faked. There are enough people inside China still having connection to the world and there would be information that things are not well. WHO staff was all over China. They did not say these numbers are fake.

for 2, that is just plain bullshit. WHO staffs all over the impacted area would know what was tried.

I also see the demand to make China accountable in the media. If the U.S. was not made accountable for the H1N1 and the Spanish flu (it actually started from a U.S. military camp), I don't see how China could be made accountable for act of God. Looking for someone to blame is human nature, but it is not helpful in this human crisis. If your son brought the flu from school, do you make him accountable for infecting the family?

1. A dramatic drop can't be faked? A dramatic drop on its own needs more support than a decrease in line with normal distribution.
2. No one cares about China. First rule of Trump is to "blame someone else " , and he just follow that .


It is the end, most likely the Coronavirus will flush the value of the Chinese FX reserves - in a years time they will worth of a few toilet paper roll : D

 

[localizer]

I don’t know if I’m just scaring myself, but I suddenly started considering that things can go very bad. Looking at how the US is handling the situation with:

poor leadership
lack of tests
lack of mandatory quarantine
not wearing masks in public,

What if incompetent countries all over the globe cant control this and healthcare workers started dying en masse. Infected start dropping like flies at 10% mortality due to no healthcare system. Manufacturing breaks down. Chinese lynchings.


I’m starting to see the decision making from the CCP standpoint. They had to stop this thing. A simple order to close public gatherings and stay home might not be enough if the disease never goes away.

@shanlung @Gatekeeper i am now scared, only countries taking this seriously are those that speak Chinese or used to speak Chinese.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Wow, in Newsweek opinon piece, China got everything thrown at it including the kitchen sink. I will stop here or I'll be in trouble.

NIGEL FARAGE: THE VIRUS IS YET ANOTHER REASON TO RETHINK THE WEST'S RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA | OPINION
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On 3/18/20 at 2:08 PM EDT

rest of the article. It is a riveting read. I never thought his hatred of China runs this deep!

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