I go beyond. I say Mohsin77 is an idiot and irrational. I am on verge of throwing him into ignore bin.
Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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I don't trust him at all. I honestly do not wish to see more of his rants as he will come back. I will quarantine him off from my sight.
supercat
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Again, on Mar. 19, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there is no new domestic cases in China. All 39 new cases were important from overseas. There are 3 deaths nationwide (table 1). There is zero new confirmed case, zero new suspected case, and zero cumulative suspected case in Hubei province, including Wuhan (table 2). So China's most important task for now is to prevent imported case. I have the impression that some Western commentators can't wait for the second wave to sweep through Asia.
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
Ha, rarely has a piece aged so badly in such a short period of time.
solarz
Brigadier
This is what happens when you let ideology blind you to reality.
It will be useful to revisit this again.
Especially with the gift of hindsight, and witnessing whats done in the Western world and USA in their fight.
They complained and moaned and bitched that China was very slow and refusing to release information.
Consider when this happend in Wuhan, so little was known at that time.
The West cannot make this excuse. They seen the fight and how the fight by China against covid19 unfolding over the weeks
and months buying the West time to prepare themselves.
No need for West to build hospitals from ground in ten days as done by China.
They spend the time mocking and laughing and taking glee in the growing and growing numbers of stricken and death in China.
Drawing cartoons to mock and disparage China and Chinese.
Wasting the time China bought for them
To me, and I imagine to you all here, the speed of China response was breath taking.
And China dared to do a lock down on eve of Chinese New Year .
And we seen what Western countries done and failing and failing despite their much vaunted
Democracy, Freedom of Speech, and Consideration for Human Values and Human rights by throwing their people
under the bus while their Politicans continue to make hay like there is no tomorrow.
Wuhan was the nerve center for rail and road all for all China.
Especially with the gift of hindsight, and witnessing whats done in the Western world and USA in their fight.
They complained and moaned and bitched that China was very slow and refusing to release information.
Consider when this happend in Wuhan, so little was known at that time.
The West cannot make this excuse. They seen the fight and how the fight by China against covid19 unfolding over the weeks
and months buying the West time to prepare themselves.
No need for West to build hospitals from ground in ten days as done by China.
They spend the time mocking and laughing and taking glee in the growing and growing numbers of stricken and death in China.
Drawing cartoons to mock and disparage China and Chinese.
Wasting the time China bought for them
To me, and I imagine to you all here, the speed of China response was breath taking.
And China dared to do a lock down on eve of Chinese New Year .
And we seen what Western countries done and failing and failing despite their much vaunted
Democracy, Freedom of Speech, and Consideration for Human Values and Human rights by throwing their people
under the bus while their Politicans continue to make hay like there is no tomorrow.
Wuhan was the nerve center for rail and road all for all China.
Not quite 2 weeks from the 9th March.
That 2 weeks will be 23 March.
At which point cases in USA will be going super nova.
Just wondering if TerraN_EmpirE still feeling lucky at this point.
That he be hit by lightning before getting covid19.
This just a preamble.
I will revisit this on 23 March to enquire of his health.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Via Viva Zhou
China and South Korea offer lessons in how to curb this pandemic.
By
The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding. It is separate from the newsroom.
Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
The World Health Organization, for weeks now, has been making an emphatic plea to countries around the world: is crucial to stopping the spread of coronavirus, but it is only half of the equation. To suppress and control a pandemic of this magnitude, countries also must find and isolate every person infected with Covid-19 — including those with mild cases of the disease who don’t turn up in doctor’s offices or hospitals.
For just as long, however, officials in the United States have said : If you suspect you’re infected, stay home. Even those who live in close quarters with someone who faces a higher risk of becoming severely ill or dying from the infection, have been discouraged from seeking testing unless they are having difficulty breathing.
There are valid if dismaying reasons for this guidance. A at the White House, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration have led to intractable delays in making diagnostic tests for coronavirus widely available in the United States. The same failures have sown confusion about where and how to get tests and have forced clinicians to make tough choices about how to ration the tests that are available.
But there is no question that the W.H.O.’s approach works better. Every region that has managed to get a has succeeded thanks to a combination of social distancing and aggressive efforts to test as many people as possible. , for example, has tested some 274,000 people since February. The United States has tested , the vast majority of them in the past few weeks.
Epidemiological testing — where the contacts of infected people are identified, tested in turn and isolated as needed — is the only way to fully break the chains of transmission, says Adhanom Ghebreyesus Tedros, head of the W.H.O. Without it, the virus will come roaring back as soon as social distancing guidelines are relaxed.
American officials have not absorbed that lesson. Even as some cities and states enter a phase of exponential spread, with the number of confirmed cases doubling every few days or so, social distancing is not being paired with the basic epidemiology that’s needed. Contact tracing — the practice of identifying and testing every person that an infected person came into contact with after they themselves contracted the virus — has not been prioritized. Almost no efforts are underway to develop the infrastructure for quarantining the exposed or isolating the infected outside their homes, away from their families. In , as the case counts surge, doctors who think they’ve been exposed are being advised to keep on working.
Worst of all, widespread testing — the foundation of both clinical care and broader containment efforts — has been disastrously slow to come online in the United States. President Trump and his team have that tens of thousands of tests will soon be available in convenient locations across the country. But make clear that still reigns: It can take days and dozens of phone calls to access a test — at least it can if you don’t play professional basketball or star in the movies — and it still takes at least a few days to obtain results. In some cases, that’s because of backlogs; in others, it’s because of shortages.
The federal government’s mind-boggling failure has bred an apathy that’s as virulent as any microbe. With coronavirus outbreaks in the states of New York and Washington stretching into their second months, some experts have all but given up on testing, saying that the virus has probably spread well beyond our ability to contain it. Based on that logic, people who are known to have been exposed are being advised to isolate themselves at home but are not being tested to determine whether they pose a risk to roommates or relatives, nor are they being monitored for symptoms in any consistent or meaningful way. It also means those who have immunities can’t know it, and thus can’t know they are in a position to safely help those who are high risk.
In China, when officials realized that some 80 percent of Covid-19 cases involved infected people passing the virus to their family members, the government built large-scale isolation units where those people could be cared for a safe distance from their loved ones. In South Korea, when an early outbreak was pegged to health workers began tracing the contacts of more than 200,000 of that church’s members. They quarantined all of the people who were exposed, monitored them and sent anyone who became symptomatic to an isolation center.
In the United States, no such efforts are even in the offing.
It’s true that testing is not a panacea. When people venture out for a test, they risk becoming infected by someone else — or infecting others. But other countries have managed to mitigate such risks, and there’s no reason the United States can’t do so as well.
For one, leaders ought to dramatically increase the number of , which help minimize exposure to others. Epidemiologists also have suggested expediting contact tracing by redeploying health workers who have been screening passengers at airports to communities dealing with active outbreaks. Using cellphone tracking capabilities, as is already doing, could also help, although the privacy concerns would be substantial and adequate protections would have to be put in place.
None of these measures will be cheap or easy to implement, but neither are the tactics that officials are deploying now. The alternative scenario, in which America maintains this status quo, will be nothing short of devastating.
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China and South Korea offer lessons in how to curb this pandemic.
By
The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding. It is separate from the newsroom.
- March 19, 2020, 7:41 p.m. ET
Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
The World Health Organization, for weeks now, has been making an emphatic plea to countries around the world: is crucial to stopping the spread of coronavirus, but it is only half of the equation. To suppress and control a pandemic of this magnitude, countries also must find and isolate every person infected with Covid-19 — including those with mild cases of the disease who don’t turn up in doctor’s offices or hospitals.
For just as long, however, officials in the United States have said : If you suspect you’re infected, stay home. Even those who live in close quarters with someone who faces a higher risk of becoming severely ill or dying from the infection, have been discouraged from seeking testing unless they are having difficulty breathing.
There are valid if dismaying reasons for this guidance. A at the White House, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration have led to intractable delays in making diagnostic tests for coronavirus widely available in the United States. The same failures have sown confusion about where and how to get tests and have forced clinicians to make tough choices about how to ration the tests that are available.
But there is no question that the W.H.O.’s approach works better. Every region that has managed to get a has succeeded thanks to a combination of social distancing and aggressive efforts to test as many people as possible. , for example, has tested some 274,000 people since February. The United States has tested , the vast majority of them in the past few weeks.
Epidemiological testing — where the contacts of infected people are identified, tested in turn and isolated as needed — is the only way to fully break the chains of transmission, says Adhanom Ghebreyesus Tedros, head of the W.H.O. Without it, the virus will come roaring back as soon as social distancing guidelines are relaxed.
American officials have not absorbed that lesson. Even as some cities and states enter a phase of exponential spread, with the number of confirmed cases doubling every few days or so, social distancing is not being paired with the basic epidemiology that’s needed. Contact tracing — the practice of identifying and testing every person that an infected person came into contact with after they themselves contracted the virus — has not been prioritized. Almost no efforts are underway to develop the infrastructure for quarantining the exposed or isolating the infected outside their homes, away from their families. In , as the case counts surge, doctors who think they’ve been exposed are being advised to keep on working.
Worst of all, widespread testing — the foundation of both clinical care and broader containment efforts — has been disastrously slow to come online in the United States. President Trump and his team have that tens of thousands of tests will soon be available in convenient locations across the country. But make clear that still reigns: It can take days and dozens of phone calls to access a test — at least it can if you don’t play professional basketball or star in the movies — and it still takes at least a few days to obtain results. In some cases, that’s because of backlogs; in others, it’s because of shortages.
The federal government’s mind-boggling failure has bred an apathy that’s as virulent as any microbe. With coronavirus outbreaks in the states of New York and Washington stretching into their second months, some experts have all but given up on testing, saying that the virus has probably spread well beyond our ability to contain it. Based on that logic, people who are known to have been exposed are being advised to isolate themselves at home but are not being tested to determine whether they pose a risk to roommates or relatives, nor are they being monitored for symptoms in any consistent or meaningful way. It also means those who have immunities can’t know it, and thus can’t know they are in a position to safely help those who are high risk.
In China, when officials realized that some 80 percent of Covid-19 cases involved infected people passing the virus to their family members, the government built large-scale isolation units where those people could be cared for a safe distance from their loved ones. In South Korea, when an early outbreak was pegged to health workers began tracing the contacts of more than 200,000 of that church’s members. They quarantined all of the people who were exposed, monitored them and sent anyone who became symptomatic to an isolation center.
In the United States, no such efforts are even in the offing.
It’s true that testing is not a panacea. When people venture out for a test, they risk becoming infected by someone else — or infecting others. But other countries have managed to mitigate such risks, and there’s no reason the United States can’t do so as well.
For one, leaders ought to dramatically increase the number of , which help minimize exposure to others. Epidemiologists also have suggested expediting contact tracing by redeploying health workers who have been screening passengers at airports to communities dealing with active outbreaks. Using cellphone tracking capabilities, as is already doing, could also help, although the privacy concerns would be substantial and adequate protections would have to be put in place.
None of these measures will be cheap or easy to implement, but neither are the tactics that officials are deploying now. The alternative scenario, in which America maintains this status quo, will be nothing short of devastating.
The Times is committed to publishing to the editor. We’d like to hear what you think about this or any of our articles. Here are some . And here’s our email: [email protected].
Follow The New York Times Opinion section on , and .