The Main-Armament Level Of Warships Entering Service

AndrewS

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Why would they order from Russian shipbuilders? Because modern Russia is a corporatist regime. Kind of like a Fascist regime. In case you never noticed.
Not to mention that most of the oil & gas industry are basically state controlled. They need oil & gas tankers. Also a lot of the people who own industries which require large bulk carriers like their metals industry (i.e. titanium and aluminum) are basically under the thumb of the Russian government. A large fraction of the Russian merchant fleet will need replacement over the next decade because the ships are near the end of their service life.

The Russian oil and gas industry doesn't need many tankers.
The vast majority of their exports use gas and oil pipelines because their main customers are geographical neighbours on land.

Why are you talking about bulk carriers for Titanium and Aluminium in Russia?
Russia produces roughly 40K tonnes of titanium per year. That doesn't even the fill cargo hold of a single Capesize bulk carrier.
Russia only produces 200K tonnes of Aluminium per month. Given some domestic consumption (say 50K), that fills a single Capesize bulk carrier.
If a round-trip takes 1 month, Russia's entire aluminium industry only needs a single ship.
There is no demand for large numbers of commercial ships for Russia, which is essentially a landlocked country.#

Ships like the Kirovs and the LHDs are important because Russia has a large territory and most of its land area is quite sparse. Let's imagine they need to do a rapid force deployment to the Far East for example? Typically their largest ships are kept in the Northern Fleet precisely because of that. It is midway between the Atlantic and the Pacific and these are the safest ports they have with the easiest access to the open ocean close to their core. Regardless if the water freezes or not.

The Russians do not need to challenge another surface navy. Merely to have expeditionary capabilities and to conduct sea denial operations.
You seem to think it would cost a lot of money for Russia to build a couple of battlecruisers and LHDs. Yet you ignore that the UK, a country with less than half the population of Russia with much less natural resources, have two STOBAR carriers and six Type 45 destroyers. Heck even Italy has two carriers. If you think that Russia has less industrial power than either of those countries you are either misinformed or delusional. Europe is not a threat.

And why would Russia ever need to do a large naval force deployment from Europe to the Far East? Please explain the reasoning.
How long would a Russian surface fleet last on an expeditionary deployment, in the face of the US Navy? Please also think on this.
Nuclear submarines are just way more effective at sea denial, self-sufficient and more survivable than a surface fleet in distant waters.

The UK, Italy and France can afford to focus on the Navy because:
1. They don't face a military land invasion from their neighbours.
2. They are all part of the same military alliance (NATO)
3. And they currently are all part of a single economic/political bloc (the European Union), which is 10x bigger than Russia.

With regards to Ukraine several people in Russia think the government should have put Viktor Yanukovych back into power with armed strength. Well I think what Russia did was quite genius really. They got the parts they wanted out of it and are leaving the rest to collapse by itself. Ukraine has been more double than necessary for a long time. The Russians have had import substitution programs for several decades already. I doubt they will let it join NATO though. They might let it join the EU.

As for Ukraine, why on earth do you think Russia would let Ukraine join the EU?

The entire reason Russia invaded was because Ukraine voted to join the European Union trade zone, and erect new trade barriers against Russia.

So the European Union (with an economy some 10x larger) would eventually share an extensive land border with European Russia where the majority of Russia's population/industry/economy/trade are located.

Think about how the US economy is roughly 10x bigger than Canada, and how they share a border.
Because of trade and economic linkages, Canada is a resource appendage to the USA and cannot operate an independent foreign/economic policy against US wishes.

So Europe IS a threat to the economic and political independence of Russia, despite what you think.

In the military realm, the EU combined spends about $250 Billion on the military. Russia spends roughly 4x less on the military.
With Ukraine joining the EU, eventually NATO would expand to include Ukraine. We've seen this happen already elsewhere.
Remember Moscow is only 500km from the borders of Ukraine, which would presumably host US soldiers.

And why do you think Ukraine is on the verge of collapse?

It's just gone back to the normal situation where corrupt politicians milk the country for nakedly personal gain.
It was already a basketcase before Yanukovich, so nothing has changed.
But now the population have gone from a generally pro-Russian sentiment where Russians were once regarded as brothers, to one where Russia is now seen as an enemy.

I think that is enough of a disgression on this topic.
 
steel-cutting ceremony took place (
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of an Avante 2200 for Saudi Arabia
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properly armed (16 cells for ESSMs and eight tubes with Block II Harpoons), considering her displacement of "over 2500 tons", according to me

the square represents 1.0 k-displacing Project 21631 (so called Buyan-M with eight so called Kalibrs: if you want to nitpick or don't know what I talk about, please skip reading this); 8 tubes in total

the circle symbol represents 2.5 k-displacing Project 20385 (8 Kalibrs, 16 cells of so called Redut: again, don't nitpick!); 24 tubes in total

the upward-pointing triangle symbol represents 3.6 k-displacing Incheon-II (8 Korean AShMs, 16 cells Korean VLS); 24 tubes in total

the downward-pointing triangle symbol represents 4.0 k-displacing Project 11356 (8 Kalibrs, 16 cells of so called Shtil: again, don't nitpick!); 32 tubes in total

the diamond symbol represents 4.1 k-displacing Type 054A (32 cells VLS; 8xC-803); 40 tubes in total

the left-pointing triangle symbol represents 5.4 k-displacing Project 22350 (16 Kalibrs, 32 cells of Redut: don't start nitpicking here); 48 tubes in total

the right-pointing triangle symbol represents 5.5 k-displacing KDX-II (32 cells of Mk 41 VLS, 32 cells of Korean VLS, 8 Korean AShMs); 72 tubes in total

the hexagon symbol represents 7.5 k-displacing Type 052D (64 cells VLS); 64 tubes in total

the star symbols represents 11.0 k-displacing KDX-III (80 cells of Mk 41 VLS, 32 cells of Korean VLS, 16 Korean AShMs); 144 tubes in total

and finally, the pentagon (sorry! LOL) symbol represents 12 k-displacing Type 055 with 112 cells VLS, 112 tubes in total


as you can see below, these ships MORE OR LESS follow the trend of ten tubes per one thousand metric tons of full displacement; they're WARSHIPS
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Bhurki

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steel-cutting ceremony took place (
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of an Avante 2200 for Saudi Arabia
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properly armed (16 cells for ESSMs and eight tubes with Block II Harpoons), considering her displacement of "over 2500 tons", according to me


warships5.jpg
So the only ships(in production) more densely packed with vls than average trend are Korean destroyers ?
 
So the only ships(in production) more densely packed with vls than average trend are Korean destroyers ?
of course not:

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with 32 SAMs in VLS cells and 16 AShM canisters, while displacing 3.4k: 48/3.4 is more than 14

the Molniyas for Vietnam have the (number of tubes)-to-displacement ratio of over 28: 16/0.563
plus
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says "They have a range of 1,700 nautical miles ..."
also their max. speed;
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radar; 3"; two CIWS 30 mm are interesting ...:
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but Western fanbois like to naysay this LOL for them steel is cheap and air for free:
FFBNW
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of course not:

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with 32 SAMs in VLS cells and 16 AShM canisters, while displacing 3.4k: 48/3.4 is more than 14

the Molniyas for Vietnam have the (number of tubes)-to-displacement ratio of over 28: 16/0.563
plus
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says "They have a range of 1,700 nautical miles ..."
also their max. speed;
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radar; 3"; two CIWS 30 mm are interesting ...:
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but Western fanbois like to naysay this LOL for them steel is cheap and air for free:
FFBNW
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bak2-jpg.40323
That photo is not good for my OCD...

By the way a better link to explain FFBNW -
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Dec 25, 2018
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inside officially looking (from Nov 1, 2018)
PROGRAMA FRAGATE F-110
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just 16 which is laughable considering like 7k displacement
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... also this, from inside (dated today)
Spain starting construction of new F-110 frigates in May
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a poorer armament than an Avante 2200 which displaces about a half of an F-110 Thursday at 4:50 PM
that's Western 'naval power' these days :-(

steel-cutting ceremony took place (
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of an Avante 2200 for Saudi Arabia
6441838_original.jpg


properly armed (16 cells for ESSMs and eight tubes with Block II Harpoons), considering her displacement of "over 2500 tons", according to me


warships5.jpg
the word is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S
 

Bhurki

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Dec 25, 2018
... also this, from inside (dated today)
Spain starting construction of new F-110 frigates in May
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f-110.jpg


a poorer armament than an Avante 2200 which displaces about a half of an F-110 Thursday at 4:50 PM
that's Western 'naval power' these days :-(


the word is R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S
Maybe the focus is on ASuW?
Also i read this is suppossed to deploy multiple unmanned marine systems and other embarkable groups. It is much more of a multirole ship, guided missile frigate nature is probably deemed to be of secondary necessity.
 
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