J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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hlcc

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Blackstone said:
The American public is told repeatedly we have the best intelligence services in the world. If that's mostly true, then I have no problem believing General Goldfein isn't just flapping his gums.
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One day the American public is being told that we have the best intelligence services in the world, the next day we are being told the Russians & Chinese are hacking & stealing sensitive info practically at will,,,, so which version is true?

I'm sure he does have access to J-20 data that's not known to the public, but most likely the info is incomplete at best. Previous high ranking US military officials assessment regarding J-20's timeline turned out to be completely inaccurate, so personally I wouldn't trust their assessments completely.
 
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latenlazy

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hlcc said:
One day the American public is being told that we have the best intelligence services in the world, the next day we are being told the Russians & Chinese are hacking & stealing sensitive info practically at will,,,, so which version is true?

I'm sure he does have access to J-20 data that's not known to the public, but most likely the info is incomplete at best. Previous high ranking US military officials assessment regarding J-20's timeline turned out to be completely inaccurate, so personally I wouldn't trust their assessments completely.
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I actually disagree with this counterpoint. I have no doubt US intelligence is actually rather more complete than whatever we can gather here, and they know exactly what the J-20 is and what it can do. Where I disagree with Blackstone is this belief that just because the US has the "best" intelligence that everything intelligence says in public is truthful. They maintain their position as being (at least one of) the best intelligence institutions precisely by not exposing everything they know.
 
Hyperwarp

Hyperwarp

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So people are still bickering about Gen. David Goldfein comments? Remember, the comments were open and accessible to the general public. He will in no way spit out actual intel they have on the J-20. Make no mistake, these guys will have plenty of intel on the J-20 (good or bad). Spying goes both ways. But, he won't be giving us any of that. His comments were tailored to a different audience. Hence the "Don't give a $h!t about the J-20" attitude.

The F-117 comment was not to say the J-20 is a flying brick. It was about certain specific systems. Especially intelligence gathering & sharing, electronic warfare, threat assessment. What is the threat? Is it a J-20? How to deal with it in conjunction with other F-35s and other assets. etc. The comment was about how intelligent the F-35 is. Not that it can out-turn or out-run the J-20. Some how people jumped to that conclusion that the J-20 maneuvers like a F-117 and is a flying bring. This is not about a 1-on-1 J-20 vs F-35 dogfight.

Remember we still have no clue what system are in the J-20 and how good they are. Let me ask you, what is the J-20 equivalent to the AN/ALR-94 or AN/AAR-56 in F-22? Simple fact is we don't know anything about the J-20 sub-systems to make any claims. The simple phrase "Lets wait and see" would do wonders. And who knows, the J-20 may very well have the last laugh.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
Interview with chief designer Yang Wei. Skip to 1:26 for the actual interview

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He basically stated that the aerial display, although short, was thrilling for the military fans and demonstrated good handling characteristics. He also hinted that some of the capabilities demonstrated during the display aren't explicitly shown and that it will be a great weapon of defense in the PLAAF arsenal.
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I heard that part where he dropped the hint as well. What could it be? That's the only plausible thing I can think of that could be demonstrated during the flight that we did not notice would be TVC. Any thoughts?
 
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CNN Should US be worried about China's new J-20 stealth fighters?

CNN's ppt on J-20 vs F-22 & F-35:

1. J-20 is undeniably less stealthy.
2. it is extremely unlikely that the J-20 is equipped with anything approaching the F-22's and F-35's sensor suite.


(CNN)The Chinese air force
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in air power circles for many years as Chinese military bloggers leaked images of the various preproduction prototypes.

The main questions being asked now are how much of a threat does the J-20 pose to American dominance of the skies in the Asia-Pacific region, and how much of a shift does the aircraft represent in terms of China's military capabilities?

In terms of a direct comparison with the US Air Force's own stealth fighters -- the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter -- the J-20 is undeniably less stealthy.

The forward-mounted canards, poorly shielded engines and underside vertical stabilizers all limit the amount that its radar cross section -- which determines how visible the aircraft is to a radar -- can be reduced.

China also has significantly less know-how in terms of radar-absorbent coatings compared with the United States. Most importantly, it is extremely unlikely that the J-20 is equipped with anything approaching the F-22's and F-35's sensor suite.

This is crucial because it is not only the fact that they are hard to detect on radar that makes the F-22 and F-35 so deadly, but also the unrivaled situational awareness that their sensor-fusion capabilities give to their pilots.

However, despite the fact that the J-20 almost certainly cannot match the radar-evading properties or situational-awareness capabilities of US-made stealth fighters, it does have several advantages over them.

First, due to its larger size it will carry significantly more internal fuel, so it will have a longer range and be less dependent on vulnerable aerial refueling tankers in the vast Asia-Pacific. It also has larger internal weapons bays than either the F-22 or F-35, so it will be able to carry larger, longer-range missiles or a greater load of standard air-to-air and air-to-ground munitions than either of the US designs.

Finally, the J-20 is almost certainly going to be produced in far larger numbers than the F-22 and potentially even the F-35 if Chinese defense spending continues on current trajectories in relation to the United States and its allies.

Essentially, the J-20 will give the Chinese air force a long-range, hard-to-detect strike and interdiction fighter that can threaten the air bases, carriers, airborne warning and control systems, and refueling aircraft that the United States and its allies rely on to project air power over the vast distances of the Asia-Pacific.

While it is not as hard to detect as the F-35 and certainly the F-22, it would still be a lethal and evasive threat hidden within a mass of conventional aircraft and missile tracks in any flashpoint scenario.
The J-20, once in full scale production and service, will represent a significantly greater and fundamentally different threat to the Russian Su-30/35 Flanker family derivatives that currently form the leading edge of Chinese air power.

For the United States, it represents a serious threat in certain operational scenarios such as a confrontation over Taiwan or the contested Senkaku Islands.

For less capable militaries in the region such as Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, the J-20 represents a game-changing capability shift on the horizon from their primary military threat -- the Chinese air force.
 
AssassinsMace

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Stuff they've been saying from the beginning... The flaw is the RAM paint point. If it were that superior at absorbing radar waves, why not use on every other US fighter? Wouldn't it significantly reduce every aircraft's radar signature? So either China's RAM is just as good or the difference is insignificant that it only works incrementally with other more important stealth features in reducing radar signature.
 
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