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Blackstone

Brigadier
Uh oh, sounds like somebody is jealous and spiteful about ALL of these Chinese innovations lately to bring out anything to ruin the forum. Sigh...same ole....same ole. No wonder your Japan could never get out of it's economic slump....FOR DECADES.:rolleyes::D
I don't see the jealousy and spitefulness you say, his contrarian view in this specific case sounds like a legitimate viewpoint for discussion and debate. Just saying...
 
The environment is always a big factor as described by this section of the article, though the environment tends to be an orphan like defeat.

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The biggest advantage for China’s tech industry, according to many analysts, is that it was able to fill a vacuum after the country essentially created much of its economy from scratch following the end of the Cultural Revolution, in 1976. Unlike in the United States, where banks and retailers already have strong holds on customers, China’s state-run lenders are inefficient, and retailers never expanded broadly enough to serve a fast-growing middle class.

Many Chinese also never bought a personal computer, meaning smartphones are the primary — and often first — computing device for the more than 600 million who have them in China.

“The U.S. was first to credit cards, and everyone there has a personal computer. But China, where everyone is on their phones all the time, is now ahead in mobile commerce and mobile payments by virtue of leapfrogging the PC and credit cards,” Mr. Thompson said.
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Jeff Head

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Franklin

Captain
Chiuna has a great flood narrative too and now science say that it might be true.

Rocks tell story of China's great flood

Image caption The flood occurred after a landslide dammed the Yellow River in Jishi Gorge

Geologists have found evidence for an ancient megaflood which they say is a good match for the mythical deluge at the dawn of China's first dynasty.

The legend of Emperor Yu states that he tamed the flooded Yellow River by dredging and redirecting its channels, thereby laying the foundations for the Xia dynasty and Chinese civilisation.

Previously, no scientific evidence had been found for a corresponding flood.

But now a Chinese-led team has placed just such an event at about 1,900BC.

Writing in Science Magazine, the researchers describe a cataclysmic event in which a huge dam, dumped across the Jishi Gorge by a landslide, blocked the Yellow River for six to nine months.

When the dam burst, up to 16 cubic kilometres of water inundated the lowlands downstream.

The evidence for this sequence of events comes from sediments left by the dammed lake, high up the sides of Jishi Gorge, as well as deposits left kilometres downstream by the subsequent flood.

Lead author Dr Wu Qinglong, from Nanjing Normal University, said he and colleagues stumbled on sediments from the ancient dam during fieldwork in 2007.

"It inspired us to connect the next possible outburst flood with the abandonment of the prehistoric Lajia site 25km downstream," he told journalists in a teleconference.

"But at that time we had no idea what the evidence of a catastrophic outburst flood should be."

The Lajia site, famously home to the world's oldest noodles, is known as China's Pompeii; its cave dwellings and many cultural artefacts were buried by a major earthquake.

"In July 2008 I suddenly realised that the so-called black sand previously revealed by archaeologists at the Lajia site could be, in fact, the deposits from our outburst flood," Dr Wu said.

"The subsequent investigation confirmed this speculation and showed that the sediments from this outburst flood are up to 20m thick, and up to 50m higher than the Yellow River - indicating an unprecedented, devastating flood."

He and his colleagues suggest in their paper that the very same earthquake that destroyed the Lajia dwellings probably dammed the river upstream. Less than a year later, the waters returned with a vengeance.

"The flood was about 300-500,000 cubic metres per second," said co-author Dr Darryl Granger, from Purdue University in the US.

"That's roughly equivalent to the largest flood ever measured on the Amazon river; it's among the largest known floods to have happened on Earth during the past 10,000 years."

'Just great luck'

Using carbon dating - on flood deposits and even on fragments of bone from earthquake victims at Lajia - the researchers date the megaflood to 1,922BC, "plus or minus about 28 years", Dr Granger said.

If the flood was indeed the source of the Emperor Yu legend then the founding of the Xia dynasty presumably occurred within a few decades, in about 1,900BC.

This date is 200-300 years later than many previous estimations. But Emperor Yu's tale is difficult to pin down using traditional historical sources; the story survived as oral history for a millennium and its first known written record dates to around 1,000BC.

On the other hand a later, circa 1,900 commencement for the Xia supports that idea that this first dynasty coincided with the transition from Stone Age to Bronze Age ways of living. Some archaeologists have already linked the Xia dynasty with the Erlitou culture, an early Bronze Age society known from digs elsewhere in the Yellow River valley.

Dr David Cohen from National Taiwan University, another co-author, said the study was remarkable because of the multiple lines of evidence involved.

"We have the geological evidence of just a huge outburst flood, which is incredible in itself," he said.

"But then there's this coincidence of it co-occurring with the destruction of the Lajia site - which is able to give us very, very precise dates… and then that this flood was of such a scale and corresponds in time, and along the Yellow River, with both the beginnings of Bronze Age civilisation and the legend of the great flood itself.

"It's just this amazing story. All these different approaches coming together - it is just great luck."

A plausible account

Prof David Montgomery of the University of Washington is a geomorphologist with an interest in what rocks can tell us about ancient myths and legends.

He was not involved in the research but wrote a commentary for the journal and discussed the findings on the BBC World Service programme Science in Action.

Among the world's various flood myths, Prof Montgomery said, Emperor Yu's story is an odd one.

"It's not about surviving. His basic story is about draining the flood waters; it's about river engineering."

The case made for the Jishi Gorge megaflood is a plausible one, he said, particularly because it describes a flood that would have broken the Yellow River's banks far downstream and re-routed its flow.

Prof Montgomery said this is just the sort of event that would take decades to deal with - and a long battle with the waters is a feature of the Yu myth.

"It's very difficult to ever actually prove the origin of pre-written history events. But they've made a very interesting case, that I'm sure geologists will continue to poke at, and investigate, and argue about - because that's what we do."

At a purely geological level, he added, the flood is a major and intriguing discovery.

"But the cultural connection - possibly explaining the origin of the Chinese flood story - is too intriguing to ignore."

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Hendrik_2000

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Chiuna has a great flood narrative too and now science say that it might be true.

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A lot of western historian question the existence of Xia dynasty because there is no archeological proof in form of turtle shell oracle. So they mock up the Chinese claim of 4000 yr civilization as fabrication.to glorify the Chinese civilization

But the story of the great flood lives in common consciousness of Chinese people. Yu the great was considered as one of the founder of Chinese civilization by advocating that the common good prevail over individuality that still ring true today.

You see diverting river with your bare hand required hundred of thousand of people working together for the common good. It required motivation, coordination.and sense of purpose

So he invented ritual or festival to bring people together. Confucius incorporate this as foundation of his basic teaching and bring light to the Sino world of East Asia.

But unfortunately so many of Chinese ritual, festival are lost in mainland China due to war, negligent Manchu occupation, communism. That is why there is void and rampant materialism in China. But the government and people now realized what they are missing and slowly it come back again now.

If you go to Japan in summer time there are hundred of festival. Every little town has festivals
 
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SamuraiBlue

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there is no archeological proof in form of turtle shell oracle

That is because Kokotsu letters(甲骨文字) wasn't invented at this point. There is said to have been a proto-Kokotsu letters called Xia letters that is said to be the origin to Kokotsu letters that became the basis of Hanji but no one had found any to prove this theory.
 

taxiya

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That is because Kokotsu letters(甲骨文字) wasn't invented at this point. There is said to have been a proto-Kokotsu letters called Xia letters that is said to be the origin to Kokotsu letters that became the basis of Hanji but no one had found any to prove this theory.
I agree, the oracle scripts are too mature to come out of nowhere, it has to be derived somewhere and some time earlier than Shang dynasty. It is almost certain that it is from something around the time of Xia dynasty (or a culture than a state). It is just that the archeological evidence has lost long time ago because unlike ancient Egyptian culture which is primarily built on stones Chinese cultures were primarily based on wood or ceramics back then.
 
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