plawolf
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Seems made up.
For one thing, other than the totally unstustantiated rumours about the J10B using PESA, what other PLA asset uses that technology?
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Seems made up.
For one thing, other than the totally unstustantiated rumours about the J10B using PESA, what other PLA asset uses that technology?
I don't think black is for mechanically steered. Chinese bought Su-27s have grey nose with white half ellipse pattern on the side. Then Chinese made J-11s have full grey radome and then the J-11As have black radome. You would think the latter would have been more updated. The J-10Bs have grey radome but it seems to be a lighter grey than the one on Su-27s and J-11s.
Zool
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I don't think China would have qualms about exporting J-10A's with appropriately modified avionics; perhaps even B models for the right price. But in the case of Argentina it is really down to the economics of the deal it seems.
vesicles
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I too feel that China would not export J-10 at this stage. It is apparent to me that China intends to keep the J-10 for themselves, especially the J-10B. They ramped up production of the J-10B in a hurry last year. Why would they do that if they intended this model for export? They had never advertised the J-10 before. At Zhuhai airshow last year, they advertised the FC-31 like crazy. I have not seen any official brochure or anything similar with the J-10. Based on how China treats export models vs. domestic models, it is clear, at least to me, that the J-10 is NOT for export.
Well, a real J-10 was shown alongside JH-7A with weapons in this past Zhuhai air show. I don't see why they should provide brochures openly to everyone. Since they were willing to export J-10 to Pakistan years ago, they obviously have no problem exporting J-10 at some point to countries that would be considered friendly. i don't see why if they export, it would have to be J-10B? They exported J-7, Ming and JJ-7 in the recent years when the models were no longer in production locally.
Lethe
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I think China is more likely to export J-10B than they are to pass up the opportunity to establish a foothold in the Latin American market.
Not only is it a significant commercial opportunity, but in geopolitical terms it will give Washington something to think about.
Of course JF-17 seems more plausible given Argentina's modest finances and requirements.
Not only is it a significant commercial opportunity, but in geopolitical terms it will give Washington something to think about.
Of course JF-17 seems more plausible given Argentina's modest finances and requirements.
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vesicles
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But they didn't do anything with the J-10 last year at the Zhuhai show. If they are actively trying to export the J-10, they should do a better job advertising it.
Exporting the J-10 to Pakistan? Is it official or just fanboy stuff? The only thing concrete is the JF-17. I have not seen anything official or even remotely suggestive of China's intention to export the J-10 to anybody.
And China has never exported anything that they themselves deploy in large quantity, especially when that equipment is still new and is still the pride of China's fighter development industry. They worked so hard and so long to develop the J-10 not too long ago and it is clear they intend to use the J-10 as their mainstay fighter for a long time to come. And they still have so many old planes that they need to replace. And they are still developing new tactics and doctrines for the J-10 themselves. I don't think they want to export it at all. It just does not make sense.
Dizasta1
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The proposal of J-10 sales to Pakistan have been made twice. Once was in 2006, when the former President of Pakistan - General Pervaiz Musharraf was on a State-Visit and was given a tour of the CAC production plant for the J-10 combat aircraft. And the second instance was on an official visit by Chief of General Staff - Lieutenant General Waheed Arshad (Pakistan Army), to China, back in 2013.
500 plus F-7s were/are in People's Liberation Army Air Force's inventory. Pakistan Air Force bought and operates close to 150 of them in it's combat aircraft fleet. Pre-1995, the People's Liberation Army Air Force had operated a large number of J-6s. Pakistan at one point in time, operated over 250 of those fighters. So your statement about China not selling fighters to Pakistan, which itself operated in large numbers, is not true.
The thing is, many have underestimated or doubted Pakistan's friendship and alliance with China, and have failed miserably at accurately defining the alliance. Pakistan has a lot of honor for China, both as a close friend and as it's primary ally. So I would not doubt for a moment, that if China concludes that a sale of J-10s to Pakistan is permissible. Then you can be darn sure that it is, a matter of fact and cannot be debunked.
It is another matter though, despite the fact that China is our very close friend and ally. That if Pakistan knows that it cannot justify buying J-10s, either financially, operationally or both. Then Pakistan would say so and appreciatively, be forthcoming to China for those reasons. And that is one of the reasons which have been stated by Pakistan Military in the past. In particular, due to the corrupt former Zardari-Government, which wrecked and nearly destroyed Pakistan's economy.
And yes, I agree with your statement, that China has every justifiable reason not to sell J-10 to anyone. It is after all, a Chinese combat aircraft and they have every right to choose not to sell to whom so ever they want. The J-10 is, in no uncertain terms, an fine combat aircraft and quite an achievement by China.
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