Sorry for my cryptical last sentence, but since we saw the first operational J-10Bs I'm waiting for a confirmation of their serials to get confirmation what unit will operate them, that's all.
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Sorry for my cryptical last sentence, but since we saw the first operational J-10Bs I'm waiting for a confirmation of their serials to get confirmation what unit will operate them, that's all.
Deino
The prices that I have seen is that the first production J-10 was about 28 million dollars a piece. But I suppose as the years goes by and more features and better technology is added to that plane that the price has gone up as well.
The barebone block I JF-17 is about 15 million dollars and the newly upgraded block II is between 20 to 25 million dollars a piece.
I guess the new J-10B will be well north of 50 million dollars if not 60 million a piece.
The barebone block I JF-17 is about 15 million dollars and the newly upgraded block II is between 20 to 25 million dollars a piece.
I guess the new J-10B will be well north of 50 million dollars if not 60 million a piece.
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Would Russia allow resale of AL-31FN to Argentina, especially if J-10 comes as competition for Mig-29 or Su-30 ?
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But sadly I can´t give you any serial of J-10B´s,
Yet ...
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The improvement of relations with Argentina is important to Russia, much more important than the sale of J-10 or of Mig-29 with twice as many engines. Su-30 is probably too expensive for Argentina.
I thought the deal was odd too. It sounded like the framework was for a customized J-10, although I'm not sure whether it's based on J-10A or J-10B. Either way, my point is that the cost of J-10 is a lot lower than people think. All this talk of J-10 being expensive on Chinese forums from 2006 has really led to such misconceptions. When you are used to getting J-7s at a lot less than $10 million, paying up to 200 million RMB for a J-10 sounds like a lot to some people.
As for how much it would cost to Argentina, I would imagine that depends on whether they are interested in J-10A or B. Certainly, export contracts would be more expensive and adding spares, training kits, missiles and such would add to the cost to.
If J-10B's flyaway cost is 50 or 60 million a piece, it won't get a single order from PLAAF.
With more mature production technology and efficient production lines, there is no reason to think J-10A cost could go up that much. J-10B is using newer electronics, but electronic hardware have gotten smaller, better and cheaper in the past 5 years. There is no indication that J-10B cost is double of J-10A. And there is no indication of which variant Argentina would be interested in.
any engine related hurdles for J-10 would apply to JF-17 also. So if Argentina had the option of purchasing JF-17 before, I don't see why J-10 would be any different.
thunderchief
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Technically speaking, Russia allowed resale of R-93 (from China to Pakistan), but AL-31FN could be a different matter . J-10 (A or B) is much bigger competition for Russia then JF-17 , not to mention J-11 . Also, we never saw China putting much effort to export these two aircraft, meaning they may have some kind of agreement with Russians (formal or informal ) not to do that .
thunderchief
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IMHO, Argentina is too far away from Russia to be strategically important . Best they could hope for is good trading relations, but there is little to gain and much to lose if China starts selling their own fighters to this country .
As for Flankers being too expensive for Argentina, I would disagree, in my opinion they would be almost perfect for Argentinian needs , cost/performance wise .
thunderchief
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I recall somebody once mentioned that PLAAF has color codes for nose radomes : black for mechanically steered radars, dark grey for PESA and light gray for AESA (or something like that) . Is this a fact, or just fan rumor ?
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