2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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The fact you might not know: The torched building in Odessa is located at #1, Kulikovo Field Square

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should be visible in the middle here:
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well, Kulikovo Field is the place where
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was fought (many years ago I was taught this was one of the most important battles in the history of Russia)
 

Piotr

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The mistake the west made was first to make a bold play against a vital Russian interest ...
I think that US goal is to provoke war in Ukraine. Polish politician Janusz Korwin-Mikke (Kongres Nowej Prawicy - New Right Party) sad that US was behind regime change in Kiev and US wants war in Ukraine because US is on the verge of bankruptcy. He also sad that in case of war in Ukraine Poland should be neutral. Many people in Poland are pro-Russian. The problem is that some politicians in Poland are on CIA payroll:
On a cold day in early 2003, two senior CIA officers arrived at the U.S. Embassy in Warsaw to pick up a pair of large cardboard boxes. Inside were bundles of cash totaling $15 million that had been flown from Germany via diplomatic pouch.
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Banderovites (currently known as Right Sector) has slaughtered tens of thousands of Poles as well as Russians and Jews:
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It's disgusting that US supports the Right Sector nationalists.
I don't see people in Poland (exept some corrupt politicians in Warsaw) willing to fight for Banderovites in power in Kiev.
If US wants war it should start war from it's own territory not from territory of Poland.

No, the free world is not going to face WW III ...
I hope that free world (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) is not going to face WW III.
 

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Thank you Jura for your posts which have helped add context to the events; the sort of context usually left out of most Western media reports and which make understanding of the events much more difficult.

So the square where all this happened was a place of very special significance for those that opposed Fascism and the reason no doubt why a major Government building now occupies the site.

I picked up another very useful bit of context from RT
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The key fact is the presence of Aleksey Albu; a local Regional Council Deputy and Mayoral Candidate and who was one of those caught up in the violence and trapped for a time in Trade Union House when it was set on fire.
This rather shows events in a very different light and totally blows open the inference given on the BBC that a Pro Maiden march of several thousand was attacked by Pro Russian march of several hundred, which was armed and fired indiscriminately into the Pro Maidan crowd.

Instead we have a small unarmed Political Rally at a Protest Camp, being addressed by a Pro Federalist Regional Politician and Mayoral Candidate, not an armed militant rally, being attacked by a much larger and largely bussed in, far right mob. I would further posit, that the four Pro Maidan fatalities in the afternoon due to gunfire, were the result of the armed bodyguards of significant local political figures having to fight off what looks now, rather more like an assassination attempt from riotous beginning to arsonist end.

Useful context? I think so, but I also know that hell will freeze over before you read that on the BBC!
 

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Useful context? I think so, but I also know that hell will freeze over before you read that on the BBC!

Hell will freeze over before we hear anything truthful coming from Kremlin Today.

First Russians stir up trouble in Ukraine, and now they demand security council to meet because of problems in Ukraine. What a joke. I hope that Ukrainians kick out all those pro-Russians and take their country back from invaders.

Funny how some people here declare that western media is full of bias, and yet same people believe everything what Kremlin controlled media tells them... I guess it's true what Lenin said about useful western fools.
 
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Franklin

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My view of the situation in the Ukraine is that both the US and Russia have scored a series of own goals with their policies and now are facing a situation in the Ukraine that neither side perhabs have forseen or are able to control.

The Americans and her allies on their part have been meddling in the internal politics of the Ukraine for quite some time and according to Victoria Nuland have over the years spend 5 billion dollars "to promote democracy" in the Ukraine. And they have been backing some unsavory characters in the Ukraine like the Sloboda Party and the Rights Sector. All this to undermine the position of Russia in the Ukraine and eastern Europe. But they have miscalculated and underestimated the level of support that Russia has in that country and the ties between (parts) of the people's of the Ukraine and Russia. After the coup the Americans and her allies are backing the new government up to the hilt with diplomatic and political cover as well as economic and financial means. That is despite the new authorities being rejected by a considerable part of the population and have proven themselves to be incompetent in many instances. And provoked the Russians to take a very heavy handed response to the developments in the Ukraine by invading and annexing the Crimea. This has help to plunged Russia Western relations to a post cold war low.

The Russians on their part have a foot in the door in the internal politics of the Ukraine as well. Especially when you look at the series of pro Russian governments that has formed in the Ukraine over the years. But the biggest mistake by far for the Russians is the annaxation of the Crimea that is not only in violation of international law but also have radicalized and close the ranks of the "anti Russian" parts of the Ukranian population. And has triggered a heavy response in the West. And triggered an even heavier response in their former satellite states like Poland, Romania and the Baltic states. If the Russians haven't invaded the Crimea then there was a good chance that the Ukrainians after suffering through the austerities imposed by the West and the IMF will come running back to Russia. But with the annexation of the Crimea that maybe unlikely to happen.

Now you have protests and violence sweeping across the Ukraine that have now even spread to the city of Odessa in the west of the country. And emotions and passions are running high on all sides in many parts of the Ukraine. Will the elections later this month help to bring calm to the situation ? In my view very unlikely as many Russian speakers may boycott the vote and many Ukrainians may ending up voting for the radical parties. Even if these two things doesn't happen i still fail to see how the elections will resolve some of the fundamental and defining issue's that Ukraine is now facing.

I don't think this is the start of WWIII but the crisis in the Ukraine could go on for quite some time and will be a source of instability in Europe and a poison in the well in the relationship between Russia and the NATO countries. And as someone who lives in Europe i'm concerned about what the medium and long term even the short term impact this will have on gas deliveries from Russia to Europe since we get 30% of our gas through imports from Russia. That will have an impact on both the macro economic situation in Europe as well as my own personal situation.
 
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Piotr

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Things are getting really ugly in Kramatorsk.
Kiev's APCs in Kramatorsk:
[video=youtube_share;tDux9tldpw4]http://youtu.be/tDux9tldpw4[/video]
Burning bus in Kramatorsk:
[video=youtube_share;02lhsqLE1W4]http://youtu.be/02lhsqLE1W4[/video]

So far US have never ever condemned Maidan "government".
 
Thank you Jura for your posts which have helped add context to the events; the sort of context usually left out of most Western media reports and which make understanding of the events much more difficult.

So the square where all this happened was a place of very special significance for those that opposed Fascism and the reason no doubt why a major Government building now occupies the site.

I picked up another very useful bit of context from RT
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The key fact is the presence of Aleksey Albu; a local Regional Council Deputy and Mayoral Candidate and who was one of those caught up in the violence and trapped for a time in Trade Union House when it was set on fire.
This rather shows events in a very different light and totally blows open the inference given on the BBC that a Pro Maiden march of several thousand was attacked by Pro Russian march of several hundred, which was armed and fired indiscriminately into the Pro Maidan crowd.

Instead we have a small unarmed Political Rally at a Protest Camp, being addressed by a Pro Federalist Regional Politician and Mayoral Candidate, not an armed militant rally, being attacked by a much larger and largely bussed in, far right mob. I would further posit, that the four Pro Maidan fatalities in the afternoon due to gunfire, were the result of the armed bodyguards of significant local political figures having to fight off what looks now, rather more like an assassination attempt from riotous beginning to arsonist end.

Useful context? I think so, but I also know that hell will freeze over before you read that on the BBC!

SampanViking, couldn't that be because the BBC doesn't tend to subscribe to conspiracy theories? :)
 

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SampanViking, couldn't that be because the BBC doesn't tend to subscribe to conspiracy theories? :)

I must confess that I am rather disappointed by that response.

My analysis is drawn on the accounts published by a viariety of news organisations worldwide, albeit limited to those in English. Based on both the consensus and key details from specific sources, I have joined the dots in a logical and rational manner.

If you have doubts or clear evidence to the contrary, please post it for everybody to consider. Calling Conspiracy theory is a pretty cheap shot. Conspiracy is also the stock in trade of all Intelligence Agencies and no doubt most; if not all, of the worlds biggest, are at play in Ukraine at the moment.
 
I must confess that I am rather disappointed by that response.

My analysis is drawn on the accounts published by a viariety of news organisations worldwide, albeit limited to those in English. Based on both the consensus and key details from specific sources, I have joined the dots in a logical and rational manner.

If you have doubts or clear evidence to the contrary, please post it for everybody to consider. Calling Conspiracy theory is a pretty cheap shot. Conspiracy is also the stock in trade of all Intelligence Agencies and no doubt most; if not all, of the worlds biggest, are at play in Ukraine at the moment.

SampanViking, I think you're moving too fast. It normally takes weeks to investigate complex chains of events as happened in Odessa yesterday.
I apologize if you got offended by my post (#1268 here)!
 
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