China's Space Program Thread II

TheRathalos

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I wonder if the article is trustworthy. It claimed orbital drifting and decaying by linking to this site
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This site lists 14 decaying and 6 drifting out of 90 without providing details of which ones are faulty now.

Then I checked this site which lists all 90 in orbit. I don't have time to check everyone's orbit parameter, but I assume "in orbit" means that they are not drifting or decaying. One can not be there and not there at the same time.
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So before any detail is presented, I will put a lot salt in this article. We have seen lots of dubious internet personality acting as professionals posting on a website which has no professional backgroud.
You can click on the individual satellites in that list, if you click on those launched on 2024-10-15 you can see that many are not their operational orbit and are still around 800-900km, and a few of those of the other groups are also in the same case, at this point these have failed to raise their orbit to operational shells, and most of these are decaying (just slowly given their altitude);

Jonathan McDowell is respected and thorough, he can generally be trusted.
@SegerYu on twitter plotted a graph showing the altitudes of each Qianfan satellites as of last month:
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1760748899205.jpegAbout 17 have failed to reach 1000km and have not raised orbit in months

In my opinion the single main reason for the gap in Qianfan launches was the lack of launch opportunity: Since the previous Qianfan launch in march, and with the exception of one expected CZ-8 Qianfan launch in april that was aborted for unknown reason, the various Long March launchers that are capable of launching large Qianfan batches (CZ-5B, 6A, 12, 8/8A...) have regularly launched (or had launch attempts of) governmental or military payloads (Guowang, Shiyan, Yaogan, all likely have higher priority than commercial satellites) at a relatively regular interval, coherent with each model's turnaround and launch campaign duration. Spacesail's issuance of 4 invitation to tender for launch contracts before the end of 2025 or the begining of 2026 also hint at a launch bottleneck (only 1 of these 4 resulted in launch contracts due to a lack of bids).

But issues with the satellites themselves may also be a plausible compounding factor, if as the original SECM article implies, that "Qianfan Constellation Batch 03" is indeed the 3rd Genesat-built Qianfan satellite batch after their two previous one launched on 2024-10-15 & 2025-3-11, then the fact that the 3rd batch is still in production 7 months after the launch of the 2nd clearly shows production issue.
 

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In my opinion the single main reason for the gap in Qianfan launches was the lack of launch opportunity: Since the previous Qianfan launch in march, and with the exception of one expected CZ-8 Qianfan launch in april that was aborted for unknown reason, the various Long March launchers that are capable of launching large Qianfan batches (CZ-5B, 6A, 12, 8/8A...) have regularly launched (or had launch attempts of) governmental or military payloads (Guowang, Shiyan, Yaogan, all likely have higher priority than commercial satellites) at a relatively regular interval, coherent with each model's turnaround and launch campaign duration. Spacesail's issuance of 4 invitation to tender for launch contracts before the end of 2025 or the begining of 2026 also hint at a launch bottleneck (only 1 of these 4 resulted in launch contracts due to a lack of bids).
It's true to say that there was simply not enough launch capacity to allow Qianfan to meet its own target for this year no matter how well or poorly satellite manufacturing went. I think it was pretty much clear at the beginning of this year that Qianfan's target was unachievable due to hard limitations on launch capacity and I and others basically said as much at the time. However the gap in Qianfan launches was pretty long, I'm skeptical that without some issues with the satellites or manufacturing or something there would be absolutely no launches for that long.
 

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The first flight of Zhuque-3 has been pushed back slightly, from Q3 to Q4.

The wait is almost over. LandSpace has shipped the first Zhuque-3 rocket to the launch site in preparation for its maiden flight.


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TheRathalos

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The wait is almost over. LandSpace has shipped the first Zhuque-3 rocket to the launch site in preparation for its maiden flight.

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The static fire of the ZQ-3 Y1 happened today at 7h15 UTC according to Asumoyz苏沫玖

From yesterday's issue of the People's Daily:
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CZ-5 Y9 has been transfered ahead of a launch on the 22nd (according to NOTAM, there are rumors of a one day delay):
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Astrostone has delivered a "flight model" of the Second Stage of their AS-1 Medium RLV to the Deep Blue Aerospace test center in Jinan for static fire testing:
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The company was founded 16 months ago. Even when considering that many of the components are "off the shelf", it's impressive.

It's true to say that there was simply not enough launch capacity to allow Qianfan to meet its own target for this year no matter how well or poorly satellite manufacturing went. I think it was pretty much clear at the beginning of this year that Qianfan's target was unachievable due to hard limitations on launch capacity and I and others basically said as much at the time. However the gap in Qianfan launches was pretty long, I'm skeptical that without some issues with the satellites or manufacturing or something there would be absolutely no launches for that long.
I agree, but looking at the various launcher availability I'm not sure they could have even maintained through the spring and summer their previous launch rate of ~1 batch/7 weeks or so they had last fall/winter, let alone increase it.
 
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