China's Space Program Thread II

[by78]

Another international partner has committed to piggyback a payload on the Chang'e-7 mission. This partner is a certain

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All the international payloads for the Chang'e-7 mission have been delivered. They will be split among the orbiter and the lander.

Orbiter payloads:
– A hyperspectral imager developed by Egypt and Bahrain.
– A radiation spectrometer for measuring earth's radiation from the moon, developed by Switzerland.
– A space weather monitor developed by Thailand.

Lander payloads:
– A laser corner reflector array developed by Italy.
– A lunar dust and electric field detector developed by Russia.
– A telescope developed by the International Lunar Observatory Association.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

All the international payloads for the Chang'e-7 mission have been delivered. They will be split among the orbiter and the lander.

Orbiter payloads:
– A hyperspectral imager developed by Egypt and Bahrain.
– A radiation spectrometer for measuring earth's radiation from the moon, developed by Switzerland.
– A space weather monitor developed by Thailand.

Lander payloads:
– A laser corner reflector array developed by Italy.
– A lunar dust and electric field detector developed by Russia.
– A telescope developed by the International Lunar Observatory Association.

Chang'e 7 and 8 seems like aimless missions at this point. After achieving both unmanned landing, rover and sample return on both sides of the moon. There isn't much to do unmanned anymore. So, these two missions do not have a definitive purpose. They seem to be just carrying payloads for various countries.

 

[taxiya]

Chang'e 7 and 8 seems like aimless missions at this point. After achieving both unmanned landing, rover and sample return on both sides of the moon. There isn't much to do unmanned anymore. So, these two missions do not have a definitive purpose. They seem to be just carrying payloads for various countries.

It is you being clueless.

7 and 8 are to find the proper location for moon base. Moon is very large object, without early reconnaissance and site survey you are going to land at middle of nowhere without prosperity of finding water, mineral, bad lighting condition etc.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

It is you being clueless.

7 and 8 are to find the proper location for moon base. Moon is very large object, without early reconnaissance and site survey you are going to land at middle of nowhere without prosperity of finding water, mineral, bad lighting condition etc.

If they are going to do prospecting, then should have done a more complex mission like deploying multiple smaller droplets of ground prospector to be able to cover a large area. Current mission payloads seem a bit less ambitious compared to recent Chinese moon missions. Doing a ground prospecting in one location isn't going to be that effective. If they don't find anything in that spot, its not like they can move 100s of miles to another location and try again.

 

[iewgnem]

Chang'e 7 and 8 seems like aimless missions at this point. After achieving both unmanned landing, rover and sample return on both sides of the moon. There isn't much to do unmanned anymore. So, these two missions do not have a definitive purpose. They seem to be just carrying payloads for various countries.

CE-8's ISRU mission is the most consequential lunar mission of the last 50 years and the most critical part of not just China's lunar missions but humanity's long term expansion into the universe.

 

[jli88]

If they are going to do prospecting, then should have done a more complex mission like deploying multiple smaller droplets of ground prospector to be able to cover a large area. Current mission payloads seem a bit less ambitious compared to recent Chinese moon missions. Doing a ground prospecting in one location isn't going to be that effective. If they don't find anything in that spot, its not like they can move 100s of miles to another location and try again.

It's not just prospecting, they are doing dry runs for trying out in-situ resource utilization. Which means using lunar soil to create bricks and other experiments on habitation.

 

[by78]

Chang'e 7 and 8 seems like aimless missions at this point. After achieving both unmanned landing, rover and sample return on both sides of the moon. There isn't much to do unmanned anymore. So, these two missions do not have a definitive purpose. They seem to be just carrying payloads for various countries.

I wonder if anyone besides me has ever told you that you talk too much. If not, let me repeat for emphasis: you talk too much, even though quite frequently you don't seem to know what you're talking about. You also seem fond of making declarations and generalized statements that are often laughable, outlandish, strange, or patently false, as if you were simply talking for the sake of talking, because you have no operational control over your mouth to prevent you from rushing to express whatever fatuous idea that pops into your mind, despite the idea being contradicted by overwhelming prior evidence. You should really focus on getting an advanced degree in, say, political science/international relations or in sociology or comparative studies, as those are especially suitable for people with talk-addicted personality or diagnosed with logorrhea, and they don't require coherence of mind or much intellectual ability. I think the vast majority of us would welcome that because it would mean less participation from you and a markedly improved forum.

 

[Deino]

Guys! Exactly this is the annoying part: discussing back & forth for the sake of back & forth! Stop this.

 

[PeaceKrieger424]

Qian Xuesen... didn't like being called the father of China's guided-missile program: he felt that the title didn't give credit to his fellow researchers. Indeed, while the Chinese-born, U.S.-educated rocket scientist was technically brilliant, he also realized that legions of bright thinkers can do far more than one genius ever could.

International Lunar Research Station (ILRS) for me is further itteration of collective brilliance outshining individual talent/prowess.

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[TheRathalos]

Chang'e 7 and 8 seems like aimless missions at this point. After achieving both unmanned landing, rover and sample return on both sides of the moon. There isn't much to do unmanned anymore. So, these two missions do not have a definitive purpose. They seem to be just carrying payloads for various countries.

@tamsen_ikard


Chang'e 7 will be the first lunar surface mission to properly study (I'm not considering the failed american technological demonstrators) the south pole proper (the area surrounding shackleton crater, whose illumination and speculated ice makes an ideal location for future colonisation), it is the first lunar surface that is purposely built for long duration missions with a 8 years baseline mission, almost 10 times longer baseline than anything before (and it's maybe attempting this without RTG!), ensuring a permanent chinese/ILRS presence there.

It'll be the first mission to study in situ lunar south pole volatiles and try to map in depth the water ice in the region, necessary for future ISRU thanks to the lander and the rover, as well as study of the local soil/topography/geology and spatial environment (dust, magnetic field, earthquake, underground composition...) of the region. The penetrator and crawler-hopper (a surprisingly large spacecraft of a few 100s of kg) will also directly study the inside of the lunar south poles craters, including shackleton crater proper. The orbiter will also be one of the most in depth lunar surface reconaissance orbiter ever with a full array of 3 in-resolution cameras, m accuracy SAR and magnetometers and spectrometers for surface elements reconaissance.

IMO as far as preparing lunar colonisation is concerned it's the most important surface mission since apollo.

Chang'e 8 is more focused on ISRU demonstration (although CE7 has cool ISRU stuff too like

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) and International payloads (with notably 2 turkish and 1 pakistani rover in addition to 2 chinese ones), both are obviously important for ILRS.