If AL-41 is required to use PESA radar like Irbis-E how come early PLA aircraft like early J-20, early J-10C, and J-15T could operate AESA with AL-31?
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Wait, I thought the Tejas at least had an AESA radar! Wow, it's even more junk than I realized! What business do people have comparing this thing to the JF-17 then? Even the older blocks were capable of carrying SD-10 missiles so even 4.5 gen fighters have to be careful going up against them.
As for the Su-30, India has decided to upgrade to carry indigenous gear! Grab your popcorn as we anticipate how much of a disaster this is going be. To be fair, the Super Sukhoi program was announced last year, before they knew how helpless the IAF was so there's still time to change their minds.
Maybe India should think about getting on China's good side, and see if they can get a good deal from some J-35s.
In honor of the of Sino-Indian relations, let's dig into the possibility of CATIC exporting the J-35/A to the IAF in particular, as well as one of the principal challenges plaguing the IAF, the Indian MoD and the country in general.
The IAF has been a "chronic victim" to one of the fundamental problems afflicting India: a societal wide inability to recognize — if not outright delusions* about — the realities and limits of Indian power, influence and relevance. In the case of the IAF, this translates to out of touch procurement practices at odds with the basic axiom that beggars can't be choosers.
What India has sought for years is for a foreign partner to avail to them the most sensitive and critical of aviation technologies, including 100% of processes essential to cranking out modern turbofans, including the hot parts:
Even though these proposed deals have gone no where for years, and everyone and their dog knows that no one — at least no one with state of the art turbofan technology — will offer India 100% ToT, our deluded Bharati bhais keep on telling themselves that such a deal is achievable:
This is in part why India will never get the J-35/A, even if China was to offer it. Aside from the fact that New Delhi is too proud and conceited to let the IAF fly Chinese fighters, India will demand the transfer of technologies that Beijing won't even share with Islamabad or Moscow.
To put it crudely, "the IAF is fucked" until our Indian friends get their heads out of the sand.
* Not here to bash India: their peerless propensity for nonsense is an objective reality , even if it's an unpalatable fact to some.
China should be breaking up India into pieces by fomenting rebellions and insurgencies, not supplying them with fighter jets. Its delusional to think China's biggest future enemy is to be given fighter jets.
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Maybe they wan to use those lndian islands near myanmar/malaysia coast? Anyway,
Also west asian suppliers too, like lran, Gulf countries w good relations w CN would be affected if ever..
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Will CN ban rare earth metals/magnets from being used in military exports by SK?
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Engines seems difficult to R&D, did they really talk abt 100% ToT and transfer mafg?
The Indian authorities have been hopelessly pursuing such laughably ambitious engine deals for years.
One of the articles I cited was from The Hindu, an Indian newspaper of record. quoted the Indian ambassador to France as follows:
What this article failed to mention — and what Indian elites, mainstream media and social media like to ignore in general — is that leading(-ish) turbofan manufacturers like Rolls Royce and Safran will happily offer "100% ToT" despite knowing full well that their governments won't grant all of the requisite export licenses.
At this juncture in time, there's a reasonable chance that a country like France will permit a company like Safran to ToT (close to) 100% of the technology for an aging design like the M88 to India.
That could be enough to get a deal signed, but won't make the AMCA a particularly competitive fighter or compelling offering in its class, nevermind against 6th gen designs.
The thing is, Russia has cooperated with France in engine design in the past. Powerjet was a cooperation between Saturn and Safran to make the SaM146 engine.
When the Russians wanted to increase production of these engines they found out that would increase the cost of each individual engine. Which goes against economic logic. Turns out the bottleneck was the hot parts were outsourced by the French to Precision CastParts. A US defacto monopoly. They control the price.
The Indians might find out that while the French designed the M88 engine the actual manufacturing is outsourced all over the West. And a lot of the subcontractors won't share their IP.
Oh and the French proposed to have the Russians make those hot parts of the engine themselves and cooperate on that for other engines as well. The Russians decided just to skip the ordeal and make the PD-8 by themselves. UMPO in Russia can make those kinds of metal castings.
When the Russians wanted to increase production of these engines they found out that would increase the cost of each individual engine. Which goes against economic logic. Turns out the bottleneck was the hot parts were outsourced by the French to Precision CastParts. A US defacto monopoly. They control the price.
The Indians might find out that while the French designed the M88 engine the actual manufacturing is outsourced all over the West. And a lot of the subcontractors won't share their IP.
Oh and the French proposed to have the Russians make those hot parts of the engine themselves and cooperate on that for other engines as well. The Russians decided just to skip the ordeal and make the PD-8 by themselves. UMPO in Russia can make those kinds of metal castings.
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This is exactly why I characterized Rolls Royce and Safran as "leading(-ish) turbofan manufacturers." They might be able to produce turbofans broadly competitive with GE and P&W in TWR and MTBO, but they can only accomplish so much without access to fully sovereign supply chains.
No countries are going to fully transfer tech to you unless the tech is outdated.. India needs to learn to build step by step from the start. First, they need to bring back the Western educated Indians home to help out.
The best thing about being self sufficient like China is they dont need to depend on any countries for the most part. If they need something they will build it on the spot. For countries that are not self-sufficient, they need to buy weapons from another countries which is a hassle. There is a possible that no one will sell to you. And another problem is the long waiting time. Iran has been waiting for ages for their SU35 from Russia but it still hasn't delivered yet and probably will never be..
The best thing about being self sufficient like China is they dont need to depend on any countries for the most part. If they need something they will build it on the spot. For countries that are not self-sufficient, they need to buy weapons from another countries which is a hassle. There is a possible that no one will sell to you. And another problem is the long waiting time. Iran has been waiting for ages for their SU35 from Russia but it still hasn't delivered yet and probably will never be..