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TerraN_EmpirE

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The Armed hueys and AH1 were like night and day in terms of protection, speed and fire power.
Although the Gunships would be argued too have superior gun firepower. first the Ah1 changed the dynamic in terms of protection gunships were little more then troop transports and sleeks who had been hot rodded with lots and lots of guns. ( think of it like taking an minivan and strapping on every gun you can.) Sure they had lots of ammo but the hull and targeting systems were not up too par it was an after thought not a development the sacrifice was that it could not carry troops or any one in the back because of the increased weight, drag and danger. other then maybe a gunner or two in the crew compartment it was a waste of space. Targeting was more or less that of the charge as Rockets were the main armament. The guns were manned, the hull was a fat target for easy shooting and with thin armor and wide open door for fighting well the crew were easy targets. the bubble's under the nose built in the transport for easy landings were weak spots in the pilots.
The AH1 by contrast could target it's nose turret and engage it might not have had the double guns of the UH1C but it made up for that by not having easy kills hanging out the doors. A skinny hull meant every one shooting at it had a harder timer hitting it. and armor around the cockpit was much better as they moved too the bubble canopy. Although the Early cobras still carried rockets as there main arm they would later gain the TOW missile and then hellfire opening up better kill potential. the Marines took her one better when they twin engined her and, The Firepower was still boosted farther when the AH1 got some nasty teeth in the form of a 20mm cannon.
The Huey set the mark for every true attack helicopter that came after. even the MI24 and KA 50 were built too pay homage too it in terms of a sleek hull stub wings packing missiles and nose mounted gun.

The Cobra's DNA can be seen heavily in most Attack helicopters including the WZ10 and WZ19 a nose mounted gun/ sensors, in line gunner pilot seating, stub wings mounting weapons under the rotor and engines, Tail with or with out Tail rotor.
 

delft

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TerraN_EmpirE, I think you're right except for one point. The drag of AH-1 was less than UH-1, but the speed is mostly limited by the rotor system and available power, which was the same for both craft, so there was little difference in maximum speed ( 10 km/h according to Wikipedia ). Of course later versions with much higher power were faster, but only AH-1Z has a four-bladed main rotor and can cruise at near 300 km/h.
 

plawolf

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Actually, all the main attack helos in operation have a lower top speed compared to transport helos like the blackhawk.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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No true in all cases the AH1 has better speed then the Huey. that was one of the selling points early on. as Attack Helos got more complex and weapons began too load up they started slowing but generally they tend too stay at about the same speed save for the Ka50 who smokes most every thing with it's top speed of course with the new rise of the compounds ( see my thread the future of vertical aviation) That could change again. Of course the KA 50, the Chinook, and compounds have a unfair advantage there lift systems ditch the tail rotor that bleeds off power by using another Rotor too compensate for the torque that naturally wants too cause the craft too fall from the sky.
I have not seen Spcs For the WZ19 but if she is built using the same spar, Engine sand rotors as the z-9 I would lay odds she has just about the same speed. The Engines of most of the Worlds Attack helos are the same as it's top of the line transports the main killers are Drag and weight. a full attacker with external arms like a fighter jet with full load out is going too be dragged down in order too get max power you need too be clean.
 

A.Man

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WZ-10 IN An Old Photo
 

paintgun

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all pics and vid via houshanghai :

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MwRYum

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If this WZ-16 powerplant comes through, it'd vastly improve not just WZ-10, but include the performance for those like Z-8 and Z-15 as well...1700shp output, while humble compare with those 2000shp used in the West, is really a quantum leap compare with the meek 1000shp like the WZ-9.

Such power output however might not enough to make it "hot and high" suitable, usually that'd require 2000shp at least to make up for the power lost at those conditions.
 

Lacrimosa

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it is apparently based on.

Appears a bit shorter than the PT6C-67C, and just about the write diameter, with a near identical horsepower. Would bring the bird right back to spec again, and is certainly not too shabby by any standards.
 

MwRYum

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it is apparently based on.

Appears a bit shorter than the PT6C-67C, and just about the write diameter, with a near identical horsepower. Would bring the bird right back to spec again, and is certainly not too shabby by any standards.

Not to mentions the weight saving measures in this iteration would translate into performance leap should such powerplant is successfully adopted. Maybe then the WZ-10 could add on some more active/passive countermeasures like IR heatsinks at the exhausts or jamming suite; or even MMW radome on top of the rotor shaft.
 

Lacrimosa

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I must say that would be excellent, the production variant of the WZ-10 already has a very impressive suite of counter measures - you can see them at the stub wing tips, the nose, the tail etc which are entirely absent int he prototype shown above, I think all the extra power would allow them to adopt further measures that'll make this bird truly world class.

Well, it'd still be lighter than the Apache by a fair margin but you can't have everything.
 
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