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Where did you hear that from? Do you have a source?

I am not sure how sensible that approach would be on an attack helo if it was true. It would help the helo avoid detection, but battle damage could be tricky and expensive to fix if the whole front fuselage is made out of composites.

I wonder if such extensive composite use was an original design decision, or was forced onto the design because of the powerplant problems.

Composites could certainly help with regards to the plane's weight. But they are likely other costs associated with it's use, cost being just one of the factors. I do not believe any of the other major attack helos use quite so much composites.

about 4-5 years back there is a picture of the prototype WZ-10 fueslage shell rolling on tooling stand outside JinDeZhen factory building. fresh out of autoclave.

if you dig around may be you can still find it.

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as for % composite in a Attack Helo primary structure.

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Roughly 70% of Mangusa, 80% of Tiger is from carbon based laminate composites.

Also most of AH-64's fwd fuselage is aluminum alloy based. aluminum is actually not that strong.
 
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rotor blade use composite material, it take 16 hours to "cook" the composite material.
source of the technology,report come from south africa.
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BTW, check out dragon new wz-10 platic kit
 
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wz-10 is under power,bomb load and performance same as AH-1 cobra.
but may not rule out possibile of enlarge" super" or enlarge WZ-10 using Z-15 2500 hp torboshaft .
 

MwRYum

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wz-10 is under power,bomb load and performance same as AH-1 cobra.
but may not rule out possibile of enlarge" super" or enlarge WZ-10 using Z-15 2500 hp torboshaft .

Think AH-1/AW-129 class of attack helicopter is what they're aiming for WZ-10 to be.

But now comes a question: how much a qualitative improvement of WZ-10 than that of the WZ-9? Other than payload and the flexibility with the use of nose gun-turret, what else there is?
 

paintgun

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it might perform the same mission and carries the same payload and ammo
but WZ-10 is China's first thoroughbred attack helicopter, a superb one at that

structure is vastly different from Z-9, you can see how wing is mounted on WZ-10 and how wing mounted on Z-9, chin gun and EO turret stabilization is not simple thing too

instead of upsizing the helo i think mini WZ-10s is more suitable to the PLA, and they might be just doing that with WZ-19

make lots of these smaller attack helos on the cheap and spread/disperse them to army aviation as organic air support, WZ-10 on the premium as the door banger
 

plawolf

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Think AH-1/AW-129 class of attack helicopter is what they're aiming for WZ-10 to be.

But now comes a question: how much a qualitative improvement of WZ-10 than that of the WZ-9? Other than payload and the flexibility with the use of nose gun-turret, what else there is?

There is far more to an attack helo than the payload and a gun turret.

The question you are asking is akin to suggesting that MBTs are not much of an improvement over IFVs just because some IFV versions can carry MBT class main guns.

The biggest fundamental improvement would be survivability, and it goes way beyond armor plating. A WZ9 or Mi17 is still a thin skinned utility help at heart, and cannot hope to survive the kind of punishment a dedicated attack helo can take and keep on fighting.

While it is far too early to get detailed performance numbers, I would also expect the WZ10 to be a lot better in terms of agility, and is also likely to be a lot more difficult to detect and target than a converted transport, which all ultimately leads back to better combat survivability.

But the superior agility of a dedicated attack helo would also allow it to engage targets more effectively and aggressively than a transport helo could. This would boost the lethality of attacks and also, again feed back to improved survivability because the more aggressively you move and the shorter time you spend engaging enemies (thus also exposing yourself to return fire), the less chance there is of you getting shot down yourself.

You are essentially comparing a glass cannon to a tank.
 

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Think AH-1/AW-129 class of attack helicopter is what they're aiming for WZ-10 to be.

Not sure about AH-1 class, that seems a bit light for WZ-10. Maybe WZ-19 seeing as it's supposed to have a TOW of 4.5 tons similar to AH-1s MTOW of 4.5 tons.
Maybe a compariso with tiger or rooivalk is more suitable.

But now comes a question: how much a qualitative improvement of WZ-10 than that of the WZ-9? Other than payload and the flexibility with the use of nose gun-turret, what else there is?

How much of an impovement was AH-1 over the armed huey gunship?
 
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