Z-10 thread


lcloo

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Did we have seen Z-10 with antiship missiles or they will use them only for troop support?
PLA Navy Z9C/D and armed Z8 are more likely to carry anti-ships missiles than Z10. The mainly reason is Z10s are owned by PLA Ground forces, anti-ship roles is not what ther army aviation is trained on. They may not even possessed any anti-ship missiles.

May be we will see some changes when PLA Navy starts to acquire navalised Z10s. However, the anti-ship roles would more likely be given to naval Z20s instead, due to Z20's ability to carry radar and higher payload. (PLA Army Aviation Z10 has no radar).
 
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gelgoog

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May be we will see some changes when PLA Navy starts to acquire navalised Z10s. However, the anti-ship roles would more likely be given to naval Z20s instead, due to Z20's ability to carry radar and higher payload. (PLA Army Aviation Z10 has no radar).

I thought the Z-10 had a millimeter wave radar for hitting ground targets. Even the Z-19 has an optional radar. It might require a software upgrade and re qualification but I doubt it would be that much extra effort. The weapons might also be repurposed in a similar way. You could use repurposed anti-tank weapons to hit surface targets.

In the long run they could make a specific anti-shipping missile based on the YJ-83K but it doesn't need to start like that.
 
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Deino

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I thought the Z-10 had a millimeter wave radar for hitting ground targets. Even the Z-19 has an optional radar. It might require a software upgrade and re qualification but I doubt it would be that much extra effort. The weapons might also be repurposed in a similar way. You could use repurposed anti-tank weapons to hit surface targets.

In the long run they could make a specific anti-shipping missile based on the YJ-83K but it doesn't need to start like that.


First of all, the Z-10 has no radar and by my understanding has never been tested with a MMR and second, the YJ-83K is a much too large and heavy missile for the Z-10, Z-20 and IMO also Z-8/18, for ASh tasks, the PLAN however has the smaller YJ-9:

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gelgoog

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I assumed a radar was available for the Z-10 because I read about it somewhere.
The Z-19 has an optional radar available for it and it is a lighter helicopter.
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The only reason why I mentioned the YJ-83K was because the Ka-52 helicopter can fire the Kh-35V which is similar to the YJ-83K in terms of warhead weight and other specifications. But yeah the Ka-52 has way more hp than the Z-10 with twin 2400hp versus 1400hp engines. Still you should be able to fit something larger than the YJ-9 missile which can be carried by a Z-9C with twin 848hp. You have almost twice the power.

The YJ-9 naval missile has 25km range and 30.5kg warhead with 117kg weight.
The HJ-10 anti-tank missile has 10km range and 43kg warhead with 105kg weight.
The main limitation of the AT missile it has a HEAT rather than HE-frag charge and is short range with fiber optic guidance.
 
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dankris

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WZ-10 crash in Xi’an. Pilots are ok.

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Is this post talking about the same crash? because it claims that the pilots did not survive. I do think the claim is suspicious because the helo looks pretty intact, with no fire or anything. The pilots probably had a shock, some bruises, probably a fracture if the fall is high enough, but not dead.

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gelgoog

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In other words I think making a navalized Z-10 based on existing components for the Z-19 and some of its own components with initial operating capability on a short time shouldn't be significantly difficult. That capability can then be evolved later to use larger missiles as engine power and new weapons are developed to increase the chance of a mission kill of a naval target.
 

plawolf

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In other words I think making a navalized Z-10 based on existing components for the Z-19 and some of its own components with initial operating capability on a short time shouldn't be significantly difficult. That capability can then be evolved later to use larger missiles as engine power and new weapons are developed to increase the chance of a mission kill of a naval target.
What’s the point? Z10 is a dedicated attack helicopter, and other than LHD and carriers, no other ship have the luxury of carrying dedicated attack helicopters, and the flat tops would be carrying Z10s for shore assault anyways.

Moreover, helicopters lack the payload, range or speed to make worthwhile AShM launchers and would only be good taking out speedboat sized targets, so it’s very much a solution looking for a problem, especially since existing naval general purpose helicopters already have that capacity as standard.

A naval Z10 adds nothing that Z9s and future naval Z20s couldn’t already do just as well if not better in terms of AShM. And looking further down the line, the PLAN is much better off using UCAVs and energy weapons to counter FAC spam tactics.
 

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