Z-10 thread


crobato

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Re: the real WZ 10

The scale between the flanker and helicopter are totally wrong. I doubt this is real.
Scales change because of the focal length of the lens used. Looking at the background of the picture, this appears to be a telephoto lens and telephoto lenses distort the perspective and make everything look flat by removing picture depth.

That flanker could be a new made J-11, Before new made J-11s enter service, they are painted in the color in the picture.
The pics of the newly made J-11's I've seen show the planes with a combination of their blue grey body color and yellow patches. Why this one is quite different is because the nose is all black, and the tail tips and forward edges are black too. None of the J-11s are like that; their nose for exemple, has a lighter grey color compared to the Russian built, and they always have that stylistic cutout shape underneath. This is not your standard J-11.

If you look at the J-10s, some of the prototypes are in yellow color. The FC-1 prototype was also in yellow before they were repainted.

Could have been a credible PS (like the one on sinodefence) but the J-11B with WS-10 Engine on the same picture aswell is just more then luck for the guy who tooked that picture
It's more than just luck. There is a place in China where you have all the prototypes are placed together in one base. When I mean all prototypes, I mean all prototypes, this iincludes JH-7A prototypes, J-8 prototypes, the Y-8 AWACS prototypes, Y-8 radar test beds, H-6X prototypes. This place is the CFTE or China Flight Test Establishment located in Xian. The background seems to support that this is the CFTE.

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Among the prototypes previously tested here is a J-11 with the WS-10A engines. To have a yellow J-11 in that base, it is definitely not your standard J-11.
 

Red not Dead

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Re: the real WZ 10

Hum it's the same Eurocopter we've been offered as TEH REAL WZ for months now. Get over it it is positively not a WZ 10.
 

crobato

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Re: the real WZ 10

Red not Dead said:
Hum it's the same Eurocopter we've been offered as TEH REAL WZ for months now. Get over it it is positively not a WZ 10.

Why don't you actually take a look at some Eurocopter Tigers.

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Notice that the Tiger has its canopy staggered, but the WZ-10 does not. While the two are similar, there are some changes like the rear wheel and fin.

Compare the picture of the helo with the J-11 to this pic from Hui Tong, which is another WZ-10

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It's exactly with the two.

It's already assumed that the WZ-10 is heavily European inspired, given that the PRC looks up to the Europeans for their helo inspirations and not the Russians, and it is no surprise it looks a lot like a Eurocopter given the big business Eurocopter has in China. But it's always the details that tell you it's still not a real Eurocopter.
 

ger_mark

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Re: the real WZ 10





This 2 pictures dont display the same helo and the 1st one is obviousely manipulated
 

planeman

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Re: the real WZ 10

This latest picture is quitecredible IMO. The detail is consistant with the previous credible image (middle one in Sczepan's post).

It is not a Tiger or Apache.
 

Wingman

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Re: the real WZ 10

I resized the WZ-10 and placed it near an Apache to make it easier to compare.

Draw your own conclusions.



Edit: added Tiger
 
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umairdt

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Re: the real WZ 10

Agusta/Westland A-129A Mangusta anyone?
Sure is very similar to the purported WZ-10 in that picture.
 

planeman

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Re: the real WZ 10

I think a degree of similarity is to be expected. Note how the upper cockpit of the Tiger and Mangusta are almost identical in profile - both are real.
 

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