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[tphuang]

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ANILA, Sept 5 (Reuters) - China has offered to sell 8 utility helicopters to the Philippine military as it seeks to replace its Vietnam War-era aircraft, a Philippine air force official said on Wednesday.

Defence ties between China and the Philippines -- a longtime U.S. ally -- have grown steadily since 2004 when the two sides launched an annual security dialogue.

Beijing has since donated $2.5 million worth of engineering equipment to the military to help it carry out development projects in areas where communist and Muslim rebels operate. On Monday it promised another $2 million in military aid.

An air force officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Beijing had invited them to evaluate its tear-shaped bodied Z9 series utility helicopters manufactured by the Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Company.

"We have a team of pilots evaluating the Chinese-made Z9 series helicopters in Harbin," an airforce general, who declined to be named, told Reuters. "We're also looking at another type of aircraft that China was offering to sell at cheaper prices."

The Philippines has 40 helicopters, mostly second-hand, donated by the United States as part of military assistance to fight communist rebels and Islamic militants in the south of the mainly Roman Catholic country.

Manila has set aside 3 billion pesos for new utility helicopters.

The government is also looking at buying up to 8 attack helicopters at a cost of 1.2 billion pesos ($25.8 million) and opened bids on Wednesday.

Boeing Co's <BA.N> McDonnell Douglas unit, Agusta Westland <SIFI.MI> of Italy and a state-owned company from Poland are bidding for the attack helicopter contract. The winner will be announced within the week.

In January, President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo promised to spend 5 billion pesos on new helicopters to replace the military's ageing fleet of UH-1H and Bell choppers.

Two helicopters have been lost in recent accidents, including one in April when a chopper on a training flight hit a motorcycle in the central Philippines, killing nine people.

more on the deal that was first mentionned a while back. Looks like China is offering Z-9. I think the other cheaper helo they are talking about is Z-11.

 

[あきのかぜ]

Chinese present helicopter is an amateur killer....

 

[tphuang]

not sure what you are saying, but more on this topic.

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PAF sends team to evaluate China-made helicopters

By Nikko Dizon
Inquirer
Last updated 07:21pm (Mla time) 09/06/2007

MANILA, Philippines --Air Force choppers made in China?

Why not, says the Philippine Air Force (PAF), as it dispatched this week a team of PAF pilots to China to evaluate some aircraft being offered for sale by a Chinese manufacturer that has partnered with a French company.

The delegation was led by Major General Pedro Ike Insierto, a Huey pilot who heads the PAF's modernization office, said an Air Force official.

The team would conduct test flights on the Chinese-made aircraft, said the official who requested anonymity for lack of authority to speak.

The official said the PAF’s openness to buying Chinese aircraft was merely a “sign of the times,” noting that while RP’s mutual defense partner is still the United States, China has a growing reputation as an industrialized country.

"They made an offer, so why not listen to them?" the official said.

The PAF delegation’s trip to China coincides with the official 5-day visit here this week of Chinese Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan.

It also comes amid worldwide alarm caused by large-scale recall of Chinese-made toys, toothpaste, candies, dog food, medicine and agricultural produce because of concerns over harmful chemicals in these products.

The official also said that this was not the first time that Chinese firms had offered their products to the Armed Forces.

"They tried to sell pistols, handguns, rifles, and ammunition before," the official said.

The official described the Chinese offer to the PAF as a "commercial offer" that would have to pass through the PAF bidding procedure.

"It means that there would be a level playing field. Their offer would have to be laid out on the bidding table," the official said.

 

[tphuang]

this is interesting on Z-10, a leak from HAMC

本报讯 （记者 吴庆梅）8月15日，总参陆航部副部长丁志坚率装备局、军代局等部门领导在中航二集团直升机部、发动机部领导陪同下来哈飞检查工作。丁志坚副部长对哈飞直升机生产、直十旋翼系统国产化试制工作提出了进一步要求。
　　在二会议室，哈飞董事长、党委书记庞建、总经理曲景文等领导热情接待丁志坚副部长一行。曲景文首先介绍了哈飞的历史沿革、科研生产经营情况。副总工程师王印塘汇报了应急采购任务完成情况及存在的问题以及今年的型号生产情况。副总工程师黄清江汇报了直十旋翼系统全面国产化试制工作的进展及HC120直升机生产交付情况。
　　针对各项任务完成情况及存在的问题，装备局局长尤军指出，哈飞在以往的工作中为陆航的装备做出了积极的贡献，哈飞也有一支能打硬仗的队伍，为了争取年度生产计划的完成和保证科研进度，哈飞要继续加强各项组织管理工作，积极协调，努力沟通，加快进度，尽可能完成更多的生产任务。
　　丁志坚副部长在讲话中对哈飞下一步的生产进度提出要求。他说，受市场、材料、内部协调等情况的制约，直升机有关产品的生产进度受到影响，但我们要从自身做起，以超前的意识和工作思路，积极协调，互相促进，使各项工作务实、抓实、落实。在抢进度的同时还要注意质量和安全。他希望哈飞能为陆航的装备建设做出更大的贡献。
　　此后，丁志坚副部长一行还到45、32、35车间、试飞站等单位进行了现场检查。

it talks about reporting on the progress of indigenous rotor system development for Z-10. Augusta Westland was originally asked to help Z-10 project with the rotor system. It also mentions about giving HAMC additional requirements for the rotor system. Looks like they got help on stuff like rotor system, transmissions and engine developed or bought from Western companies, but eventually, they are looking for indigenous parts to take over. For example, we very well can see WZ-9 or WZ-10 being the motor for Z-10 in the future rather than PT6C-76 series. For one thing, WZ-9 was mentionned to have already been test flown with Z-10.

 

[Deino]

... from "=GT" via CDF !!

 

[AssassinsMace]

Are those HJ-10s it's carrying? They look bigger than TY-90s.

 

[Deino]

Are those HJ-10s it's carrying? They look bigger than TY-90s.

I think You are right ... seems to be the first picture with that new missile !

Cheers, Deino

 

[tphuang]

I think You are right ... seems to be the first picture with that new missile !

Cheers, Deino

it's rather scary that they seem to be carrying 8 ATGMs 1 pylon. Quite the payload if you ask me.

 

[zaky]

I have count only 4.

 

[Deino]

it's rather scary that they seem to be carrying 8 ATGMs 1 pylon. Quite the payload if you ask me.

I agree with "zaky" as there are the missiles + the lancher rails on top !

Deino