why doesn't china have/get long range AAM?

IDonT

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In order to have a credible BVR missile capability, you also need to have good IRR capability. You need to be able to identify a target, hundreds of miles away as a foe in order to avoid friendly fire fatalities.
 

chinawhite

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90 and 150 are not the same distance.

the R-77 in service get feeds from a datalink from the aircraft until 20km from the target. how are they going to get a radar that goes 1/3 more that length. into the same airframe. The state of russiasn telecom network is not progressing much
 

ger_mark

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i meaned meteor and not taurus offcourse
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r-77pd_8.jpg
 

Totoro

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IDonT said:
In order to have a credible BVR missile capability, you also need to have good IRR capability. You need to be able to identify a target, hundreds of miles away as a foe in order to avoid friendly fire fatalities.

And that's exactly why such a weapon is more suited for china than for US. China doesn't have such a projection of power, hundreds of km, lots of various aircraft, etc. US on the other hand, would need to know where its USAAF forces are, wheres which USN aircraft, not to mention the Taiwanese forces. I'd say China has it easier. Also, to negate the US and/or Taiwan's awacs aircraft is such an advantage that it'd be worthy of some friendlyfire losses, even if they happen. Of course, that's the military guy speaking, not a politician. But in a war things need to be weighed, the pros and cons. And Chinese would be easier to go over some friendlyfire losses than the US, anyway.
 

Wingman

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My guess is that it's still too hard to design a decent long range missile capable of intercepting small agile aircraft

Longer range means you must increase fuel. Increasing fuel increases weight, reducing manoeuvrability.

Also, it's hard for fighters to maintain lock on an ECM equipped fighter at long ranges. It would be a waste to have a missile that can fly far but you can't guide it far enough for it to use its own radar.

Another thing, I think, is speed. Long range is useless if your missile is slow, say like Mach 2 or Mach 3, the enemy fighter can just turn around and outrun the missile at long ranges. But to increase speed you must also increase fuel load because high speed would consume more fuel, again reducing manoeuvrability.

The ramjet R-77 M1 is a promising design to counter some of these problems, I think
 

swimmerXC

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BrotherofSnake said:
How does the meteor compare to the latest AIM-120 AMRAAMs?

don't think the AMRAAM is the best BVR missile out present day.. Mica is probably better, and R-77 is probably equal..
can the AMRAAM intercept cruise missiles? Mica can...
 

tphuang

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what's the range of SD-10 compared to them?

Check this
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Jut checked some chinese site:
If SD-10 is launched from air.

It travels at mach 4 for a maximum range 70 KM. I'm not sure what the other AAMs are like.
 
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