why doesn't china have/get long range AAM?

Totoro

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Seeing how there's likelyhood of US involvement in any action againt Taiwan China might take, and also keeping in mind the operations of american carrier wings, wouldn't it be of utmost importance for China to have/get some long range AAMs like R37? I would think that since Russians changed their minds bout their Tu22m export policy, selling something like R37 to China would be in the realm of possibility. Can that missile system be used on other aircraft other than mig31? Even if not, and especially in the light of today's BVR air combat, i'd say it's more worth to have a squadron of R37 equipped mig31 than two squadrons of Su27SK. Migs also carry R77 so as an interceptor it'd just fine. Even with that missile, it'd get additional range launched from speed/altitude that mig31 offers.
 

chinawhite

Banned Idiot
because the R-33 is a piece of shiet. a simple manoeuver came over come it.

it was designed to kill large targets and slow movng ones. eg B-52 B-1b cruise missles and helicopters. things that are not as agile as a fighter
 

chinawhite

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its one of the biggest A2A ever.

it looks like a mini ballistic missle with a A2A capblitiy.

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Totoro

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I was talking about R37, not R33. To my knowledge, it is more capable than R33. Also, and this is my mistake, I didn't point out that of course it'd be hard to use against fighters. Its main use would be against larger aircraft, primarely E2 and E3s. Once a carrier group loses or gets its E2 coverage seriously compromised - half the work needed to attack the carrier is already done. Providing you can accurately locate it in the first place, of course. :D
 

Gollevainen

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The main reason why there's NO use of chinese to obtain this particular missile (R-33) is, and already mentioned in here: it's relic of the coldwar.

R-33 as is mentioned was to be used against US bombers and was carried around by the MiG-31, also dedicated to single role, ultra-long range interceptor. To my knowlidge the R-33 cannot be used other aircrafts than the MiG-31, so that alone eliminates the PLAN use of that missile. I'm not saying that china should completely forget long range aams, quite opposite China needs them. But as the main chinese longrange interceptor is (and will become more significant in the future) the J-11/Su-27 and derivates. China already have the R-77 wich is quite addequate for long range interceptor work. And as the missile is already introducted to chinese planes, future plans for purchasting the existing modifications of the missile is possiple.

here's a one interesting development of the R-77 missile:
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the RVV-AE-PD, ramjet powered version of the R-77 whit over 150km range...
 

chinawhite

Banned Idiot
the range is the maximum possible range. perfect altitude etc.

the R-77 looks very promising but i debut the russians can come up with a small enough radar to fit in the missile
 

Gollevainen

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chinawhite said:
the R-77 looks very promising but i debut the russians can come up with a small enough radar to fit in the missile

??? You mean the russians aren't able to desing and produce an active radar holming seeker to the R-77 missile?? Then why on earth are the R-77 missiles in service? or is this just another ironical comment of yours?
 

Totoro

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I don't think it has a nato code name, since russians didn't buy it. The way i understand it, it's out there, its been tested, further versions are being worked on, but with all the cuts in russian budget they didn't think it's necesarry to obtain it. however, i've seen it adresssed as aa-x-13. If its true that russians would be more than happy to sell anything to anyone, It's possible a full production line could be set up for someone making a large purchase.

here's a link to another forum where the r33/337 have been discussed, with specs and details.
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