US Navy DDG 1000 Zumwalt Class


TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Why can't they make those 155mm guns use regular US Army 155mm NATO shells (like in the M109 Paladin) is a little beyond me. Must be a Navy thing.
Just because they are the same caliber doesn't mean they fire the same ammunition.
If you tried to fire a 155mm howitzer shell in that gun the shell would be destroyed and the gun ruined.
It's like trying to fire .308 rounds from an AK. It doesn't work. They are totally different
 

Jura

General
Just because they are the same caliber doesn't mean they fire the same ammunition.
If you tried to fire a 155mm howitzer shell in that gun the shell would be destroyed and the gun ruined.
It's like trying to fire .308 rounds from an AK. It doesn't work. They are totally different
the debater probably meant "commonality" might've been the requirement
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The Navy has different ideas on what it wants from a deck gun from the Army and Marines on what they want in a field gun.
They are incompatible. The AGS was designed to fire a 225 lb shell out to 83 miles, conventional NATO 155mm are around 108 lb and can go to 25-30 miles.
 

Jura

General
The Navy has different ideas on what it wants from a deck gun from the Army and Marines on what they want in a field gun.
They are incompatible. The AGS was designed to fire a 225 lb shell out to 83 miles, conventional NATO 155mm are around 108 lb and can go to 25-30 miles.
56 minutes ago
the debater probably meant "commonality" might've been the requirement
was one of my tougher devil's advocate roles LEL actually bordered with trolling
 

gelgoog

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Yet the Chinese PLZ-05 howitzer uses the same 155mm NATO caliber round standard and it has a munition with 100 km range (62 miles). I guess they over did it.
I know conventional NATO rounds are shorter in range but there are base-bleed and rocket-assisted projectiles, not to mention ramjet powered munitions. Which is probably what that Chinese munition is. I can understand them wanting to outrange land based artillery units, but still, it would have been better than a gun without rounds or the shorter range lower caliber guns they currently use:
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Which are kinda lame.
 

bd popeye

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MK45 5 inch guns are quite accurate. Really...I do agree that the Zumwalt class should have never been fitted with the
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that cannot shoot..because we have no ammo!.:confused:..embarrassing.
 

Jeff Head

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MK45 5 inch guns are quite accurate. Really...I do agree that the Zumwalt class should have never been fitted with the
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that cannot shoot..because we have no ammo!.:confused:..embarrassing.
The program to develop the ammo was proceeding, but as with any cutting edge technology, it also had problems.

The Obama administration decided to cancel it, and to pull WAY back on the Rail Gun development, which is the real answer for the Zummwalt in the mid to long term.

That admin hurt the US Navy here and in several other places.

Crazy? Or just acting like they believed...that the US and particularly its military was something they were hell bent on neutering as much as they could.

How does the leader of the armed forces allow a multi-billion dollar per ship program to go forward with NO solution to one of its major capabilities?

They made these decisions knowingly, and the result is a nuetered ship that could have been...and perhaps some day still will be a critical answer for future US Navy needs.

The long range projectiles could stillbe developed. It will cost, but as I say, and cutting edge program always does and is not for the faint hearted, and particularly not for an admin that rapidly dislikes the military.

The Rial Gun can still be pushed forward rapidly. I know people in that prgram and they are not far off...but they are a business and they have to make money. The Obama admin cut the spicket. We had conducted for many years, progresswively more important and improving tests. They were ready to test at sea and that admin slowed it down, cut its legs out from under it, and made it impossible t proceed.

I hope that the details of these sorts of things...and the Zummwalt is by far not the only area. Virtually every area where the US was on the verge of breakthrough technologies was politically undercut and sabotaged...anyhow, I hope the info gets to Trump and that he gets the right sort of people into the prgram management areas that know how to lead, and push forward cutting edge technology programs that when complete will help "make America Grate again," if they are just planned and treated correctly for what they are.

In addition, the US Navy desperately needs now to decide on a hull for the new cruiser...the Zummwlt could be, and IMHO, should be it.

God's speed to all of you!
 

Jura

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Apr 18, 2018
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Second Zumwalt Destroyer Michael Monsoor Leaves Bath Iron Works for California
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The second Zumwalt-class guided missile destroyer has left a shipyard in Maine on Friday bound for California, Naval Sea Systems Command said in a statement.

The 16,000-ton Michael Monsoor (DDG-1001) sailed down the Kennebec River to the Atlantic Ocean ahead of a commissioning at Coronado, Calif. on Jan. 26, 2018.

The departure marks the end of more than eight years of Monsoor under construction at Bath. The ship
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on Feb. 1.

The Navy accepted the first part of a split delivery of the destroyer on April 24. The destroyer suffered an engine casualty during the acceptance trials that required replacing one of the two Rolls Royce MT30 maritime gas turbines.

“The problem we had coming off of acceptance trials was actually the turbine blades – so think of a jet engine on the side of an airplane, the blades that you see – we actually had some dings, some damage to those turbine blades,” the Program Executive Officer for Ships Rear Adm. William Galinis told USNI News in July.
“We determined that it was best to change that turbine out before we actually transited the ship to San Diego.”

Once the ship is in San Diego it will be being the extensive combat system activation process that will test the ship’s sensors and weapons. USS Zumwalt (DDG-1000) has been moving through the process since it arrived in San Diego in 2016.

The third ship in the class, Lyndon B. Johnson (DDG-1002), is set to deliver to 2020. Combined, the Navy has spent about $23 billion on research, development and acquisition of the three-ship class.

In addition to Monsoor’s departure, Bath Iron Works began construction of the last Flight IIA Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer, the future USS Gallagher (DDG-127). The destroyer is named for Irish-born Marine Lance Cpl. Patrick Gallagher who earned the Navy Cross during the Vietnam War.
 

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