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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
LOL! 30 minutes ago I referred to the so-called F-15X, and you know I referred to the so-called F-15X 30 minutes ago
Yes Jura because for every F15X added to the USAF 1 F15C is added to the bone yard. It's not that 4th gens were not budgeted it's that they were to be overhauled. Now instead for what ever reason the USAF USA and Pentagon decided that F15C wasn't salavagable. So instead F15X to take its place. Not expand it. Replace it.
 

Jura

General
Yes Jura because for every F15X added to the USAF 1 F15C is added to the bone yard. It's not that 4th gens were not budgeted it's that they were to be overhauled. Now instead for what ever reason the USAF USA and Pentagon decided that F15C wasn't salavagable. So instead F15X to take its place. Not expand it. Replace it.
I'd appreciate a link to one number:

since you said F15Cs "were to be overhauled",

how much had been budgeted for them, which now wouldn't be needed?
 

anzha

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I wondered if you'd appear now

Sep 4, 2018
I'm always here. Just most of the time, there's not much that I can contribute that's not just opinion and I already know many of my opinions are in conflict with members here. Rather than scour for chances to stomp my feet, I'd rather watch for new information.

Budget analysis is something I don't see others doing, so I think I can actually contribute.
 

Jura

General
Around $30-40 million a plane was estimated for replacement wings Longeron and avionics systems upgrades.
OK
Nov 17, 2016
I didn't know about Decision Time: Half of US F-15s Need Overhauls — Or Retirement


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but 15 minutes ago I meant how much had been budgeted (now how much "was estimated" the cost of vapor would be); the above link suggests tens of millions only in FY2018


That money will instead be targeted into procurement of F15X
let's leave to Congress now, LOL
 

Jura

General
I'm always here. Just most of the time, there's not much that I can contribute that's not just opinion and I already know many of my opinions are in conflict with members here. Rather than scour for chances to stomp my feet, I'd rather watch for new information.

Budget analysis is something I don't see others doing, so I think I can actually contribute.
well I wondered if you'd concede a decrease in the NGDA funding from
#9945 anzha, Sep 4, 2018
(think I noticed earlier this week in the budget proposal);

was glad to see you did Friday at 11:07 PM

time holds the key anyway
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
the above link suggests tens of millions only in FY2018
That SLEP is a stop gap fix and only addresses the most strained structural member the Longeron.
It doesn't touch any other members including the second most warn portion the Wings.
As the article it's self states
replacing the longerons on the fighter – an endeavor that would cost about $1 million per aircraft – Boeing could push the F-15C's service life into the 2030s.

An earlier USAF analysis examined updating the F-15C’s fuselage, wings and landing gear, which could stretch the aircraft’s life into the 2040s – but would cost $30 million per airframe
It makes no upgrades to systems. So basically they fix the Longeron and nothing else $1 Million.
You start addressing the other old parts $30Million.
But add in
the cost of vapor
that "Vapor" being system upgrades that merged to be part of the F15x and had been demonstrated if not proven on F15 in foreign service and at home or other air craft.
Passive Attack Display, same type found in Super Hornet block III and F35.
Already found F15SA and F15QA was demo'd in F15C 2015. They also demo'd the Sniper pod. Legion pod demo'd in Super Hornet block III and F16C Agressors.
Talon HATE pod to add Data link with F22 trailed in F15C in 2015.
Eagle Passive Active warning Survivability system flying on F15E, F15QA and F15SA.
New wing structure flying on F15QA.
AMBER weapons Racks. F15QA
FAST pack CFT on F15E and Strike Eagles globally.
Radar upgrades found on F15 globally.
JHMCS II on F15 of the USAF.

In FY2017 Boeing won a 95 million dollar contract to upgrade radars on C, D and E variants. The year before they won a Half Billion dollar contract to upgrade the radars and add FAST packs to 71 F15. But that was not including additional upgrades and structural changes.
F15CX and F15EX would replace between 80 to 144 F15C and F15D.
My math at 40 million a bird is north of 5.7 Billion assuming nothing else went wrong.
 

Jura

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... The year before they won a Half Billion dollar contract to upgrade the radars and add FAST packs to 71 F15. ...
did you perhaps mean
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Boeing landed a $479 million USAF contract for
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of the Eagle Passive/Active Warning and Survivability System for the
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fighter jet. The system will provide advanced aircraft protection, significantly improved situational awareness and support for future F-15 mission requirements, replacing the jet’s Tactical Electronic Warfare Suite and keeping the aging aircraft in scheduled service through 2040. As 413 F-15Cs and F-15Es will be upgraded under the program, the expected costs may run to $7.6 billion.
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