Unrest in Tibet!!

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AssassinsMace

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I find it interesting that we have photographs of Tibetan violence but no recording of the violence committed by authorities on Tibetans as accused. All the photos and recordings we've seen come from Westerners. They certainly didn't catch that violence committed on Tibetans which they claim happened first. Tibetans don't own cameras? No one smuggled them in for them? It's not like information is sealed from Tibet. If the exiled government is getting information on how many people were killed, shouldn't they have visually recorded evidence as well? We'll have to wait to see.
 

crobato

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On this point, I totally agree. I just admit it is a fact of life. Only the thug with a bigger stick (i.e. technology and money...etc for those who dont like my analogy) wins.

Does a [put ethnicity here] store owner have a big gun aimed at the local people threatening I will blow you up if you don't buy from me? In what way are store and restaurant owners "thugs"?
 

AssassinsMace

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Well by that analogy, who's the one with bigger stick because China certainly isn't winning the PR campaign in regards to Tibet espeically in light of historic hypocrisy from the West to this day in regards to violence upon innocent civilians, illegal invasion, war, and occupation of other nations.
 

flyzies

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We have all heard many of world's leaders calling for China to use "restraint". Funny thing is that every night im seeing footage of violence being used by Tibetans on non-Tibetans.
And dont think this is censorship stuff cos im in Australia. So far i have seen none - not one - photo frame or vid clip of police or PLA soldiers attacking Tibetans or monks.
So who is it that need restraining here??

Know what "Tibet for Tibetans" reminds me of? White Australia. During that time "White Austrlians" would go around kicking anyone that wasnt "white" out of their society - the native Aborigines suffered the greatest during this period...which can be described as "ethnic cleansing" to an extent.
Now im not saying thats what DL or Tibetans want of course, but that slogan "Tibet for Tibetans" which their campaigning on, has racism at its core.

Tibetans should learn to assimilate and be apart of society...isolation is not the way.
 

aquauant

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Countries get invaded or liberated because they are weak, western or not. When the shop owner or company has greater power (in the form of guns or economic edge) over the market than the consumers, it can surely force upon individual consumers with discriminating terms. Economics 101.

You may think you are civil. But in this forum here we are talking physical destruction by air, sea, land and space. We dont come here to talk about legal framework or treatise formulation. It is thugs alright.
 

crobato

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Countries get invaded or liberated because they are weak, western or not. When the shop owner or company has greater power (in the form of guns or economic edge) over the market than the consumers, it can surely force upon individual consumers with discriminating terms. Economics 101.

Man you sound like a classic Marxist.
 

aquauant

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I think the dicussion is still civilized, even though we are in weapon-related forum. No one talks about nuking this or killing whom. And so far, the talks are mostly about unfairly china has been treated in the media. And it is true.
 

crobato

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I think the dicussion is still civilized, even though we are in weapon-related forum. No one talks about nuking this or killing whom. And so far, the talks are mostly about unfairly china has been treated in the media. And it is true.


I can understand that, but we don't want the SDF to have the same atmosphere as the CMF.
 

Troika

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Well unless you know the history of overseas Chinese you should refrain from making comment

to begin with Indonesian Chinese have dual citizenship under the agreement between China and Dutch Indie and continue until the Republic time.

The Republic, in case you can't tell from the little difference in flags or name, is not the People's Republic. You do know it's important, right? Such as fact that overseas Chinese were not even close to uniformly pro communist?

Actually it is Zhou En Lai who started the problem During his visit to Asia Africa conference He is calling all the Indonesian Chinese Chinese citizen and ask them to support China.

Alarmed the Indonesian start the motion to abrogate the treaty and forced everybody to choose side

Because of economic failure in Indonesea Chinese become the easy scapegoat for the politician and pogrom followed At first China send ships to evacuate the overseas Chinese but Suffering from the failure of long leap forward She soon stop sending ship and Leave the Indonesian Chinese to themselves

That long before the idea of "Non interference" Radio China exhorted all the overseas chinese to support China and She openly support socalled Communist faction during struggle for power in Indonesia and remembered this during the cold war The Chinese were forbiden to practice their culture and language until recently and forced to take Indonesian name That is real cultural Genocide!

That works against my point that treating overseas Chinese as citizens makes thing worse in WHAT way, exactly?

And I am going to need some source other than your bland assertions to take this as fact. This is dubious for the following resasons:

-It is completely out of character with Chinese foreign policy in that period as I understood it - she wasn't even supporting the Malaysian Communists, a mostly Chinese outfit in a place with a much higher Chinese population proportion.
-The Bandung Conference was exactly AGAINST this sort of things (see principles 2-4). For Zhou to say that, he'll have to be an exceedingly rash and unwise diplomat.
-Indonesian Chinese were divided between KMT and CPC followers.
-West Kalimantan happened in '67, Sokarno's infamous PP 10/1959 in, well, October 1959, neither of which fits in with your... curious timeline
-The idea of non-interference, as you put it, came AT THE SAME TIME as your alleged comment by Zhou - and the self-same Bandung Conference

Such a famous incident, including a Chinese communist attempt to evacuate Indonesian Chinese (there were over a million, you DO know that, right?), shouldn't be so hard to find a few references, should it?

Moreover, suppose that all of the above actually happened... that is STILL just Indonesia. China still has no business interfering on behave of Indian-Chinese, American-Chinese, Malaysian-Chinese or whatever, unless they actually ARE Chinese citizens.

Now tell me after creating all the problem Does China at least has the moral responsibility to at least bring attention to the plight of Chinese in Indonesia?

China does make noises from time time, including condemnations of the 1998 riots. It, of course, did no good whatsoever. All of this, by the way, pre-supposes your interesting theory of Indonesian anti-Chinese pogroms.

No she doesn't because as Zhou En Lai said it is as if you given away

Wrong. Stated above, China DOES. The fact that you don't think that's enough is neither here nor there.

Yes I know in Chinese culture daughter has no value whatsoever!

And for somebody who is supposed to be arguing for humanitarianism, you sure like to make sweeping generalization. What will we have next? Chinese culture eats dogs?


Tibetan is not EU or US citizen for that matter but it doesn't prevent the from making comment or bring attention

They could do whatever they want, that doesn't make it a good idea, or something that is actually effective.
 
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