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bladerunner

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I doubt the Aussies would be interested in one of the QE's, for a start they're way bigger than anything they've ever operated before and they probably wouldn't have the budget to operate one. Also they're only looking at using the Canberra class as LHD's although they could theoretically operate F-35B's off them and if they needed an organic air power capability that would suit their needs perfectly.


I guess splitting the running costs and operating it with a mixed crew in a region where they have a joint interest in, would be impractical?
 
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Obi Wan Russell

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I guess splitting the running costs and operating it with a mixed crew in a region where they have a joint interest in, would be impracticable?

Extremely Impractical, and unecessary. CVF will have very low running costs, expected to be not much more than an Invincible class. Take a look at the respective ship's complements, both types require around 685 officers and men to run them. CVF has a larger air group of course, but the ship itself is not expensive to run. Having a mixed nationality crew for specific missions removes UK sovreign control of the ships, negating one of their primary selling points.
 
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Obi Wan Russell

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Some good news at last:

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Summary:

No slash and burn defence cuts
Both Carriers completed
switch from STOVL F-35B to CTOL F-35C
rolling two year review
helicopter numbers reduced
Out of the Stan by 2015.

Seems reality has finally got through to the ConDems!;)
 

Obi Wan Russell

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Still just rumours at the moment, but my gut feeling is the 'C will mean a return to RN control of the CAGs, and much more sea time than currently is the case. Converteam are developing EMALS technology in the UK in parallell with the US (as a backup plan B) so we shall have to wait and see. The CVFs are designed to take more GTs/diesel generators to increase power if required, a far sighted inclusion in the original brief I think...;)
 

Scratch

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Both Carriers completed
switch from STOVL F-35B to CTOL F-35C

That is interesting news. However, what about the news then that the UK is spending $13M to intorduce a "rolling vertical landing system" in the 'B to improve it's non arrested landing capability on carries?
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Lockheed gets funds for UK F-35 landing modification

DATE:08/10/10 - SOURCE:Flight International

By Craig Hoyle

Lockheed Martin has received a $13 million contract to incorporate a shipborne rolling vertical landing (SRVL) capability with the short take-off and vertical landing F-35B, with the work to be performed on behalf of the UK. [...]

Developed by the UK, the SRVL technique will enable the F-35B to return to an aircraft carrier's deck carrying more weapons or fuel than possible when making a vertical landing.

Approaches would typically be flown at 60-70kt (111-129km/h) and with a flight path angle of 6-7°. An algorithm is used to calculate the optimum approach profile for given sea conditions, while the best landing point will be highlighted by using deck lighting.

Qinetiq has supported previous development work, including the use of its VAAC Harrier demonstrator aboard the Royal Navy aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious. ...

Another backup plan? I guess customers like the italiens for the Cavour or so might have use for it, though.
Also, any hints yet what the floating commando platform might look like? A small welldeck perhaps for waterborne assaults plus more helo capability?
 

Obi Wan Russell

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SRVL has been around as a concept for a few years now (VAAC two seat Harrier doing landing trials on CdG a couple of years ago), and the contract for further development has been in the works for a while too, whereas the recent report of the switch to the 'C is only a couple of days old. The USMC are still going ahead with the 'B and SRVL will be just as useful to them as the Spanish and the Italians.
 

Neutral Zone

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It's starting to sound a lot more encouraging for the RN, call me a cynic but I suspect that a lot of the bleaker scenarios that appeared in the press were part of the usual Whitehall tactic of conducting budget negotiations through the media.

I'll not finally believe it until I see HMS Queen Elizabeth on deployment with a wing of F-35's on deck but it looks like I'm finally going to see a CTOL carrier flying The White Ensign! :)
 

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The last of a fleet of six Royal Navy warships built in Scotland has been launched into the River Clyde, in Glasgow.

The 7,500-tonne Type 45 vessel is the sixth ship of its kind to be made for the Royal Navy and is expected to enter service in 2014.

HMS Duncan is likely to be the final navy vessel to be launched by this traditional method.
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