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You used the pejorative term MEGLOMANIA with relation the RN's plans for carriers. Are the French also Meglomaniacs? The Australians? The Japanese? Any other Nation with carriers? No? Just the British then. You're a few centuries out of date with that accusation, the Empire disappeared more than half a century ago too.

As for LHDs, an inferior type to what we have now. The QECs are not intended to be cut price Nimitzes, theyu are multi role flexible aviation platforms, that can deliver whatever air power we choose to put aboard them as required. We don't need LHDs, we have LPDs and LSDs to handle amphibious shipping. LHDs tend to be slow, cramped for whatever size they are and too busy dealing with getting troops ashore to give adequate attention to ASW or Air Defence let alone CAS. Listening to such 'voices of reason last time got us the Invincibles, which though fine ships were too small to do any job allocated to them properly.

We now have the right ships for the next fifty years, like it or lump it.

"The Avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
next fifty year?

according to me, the Admiralty should concentrate mainly on the Northern Atlantic, 'cod wars' and stuff,

instead the Admiralty concentrates on 'carrier-enabled power-projection' (using F-35Bs);

have a last word if you want, I won't respond
 

gelgoog

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If anything I think the QE-class lost its fangs somewhat when they went with the ski-ramps. Britain can certainly finance two carriers of that design. Heck, the Italians have two carriers. Britain has considerations with regards to overseas territories, which other countries like Germany simply do not have. The French have a similar issue with regards to overseas territories. Had they gone with the catapult design then the aircraft purchases would have been a lot more competitive and driven the per aircraft costs way down. Like this the UK is stuck with the F-35B. But I blame that on the MoD and particularly the Royal Navy rather than the government which had little to say on such things.

Cameron's government was criminally negligent. First with the giveaway of the Sea Harriers to the USA. Later with the sale of HMS Ocean at a time the QE-class had not even entered service. You can't make this shit up. But I have come to expect that from UK Conservative governments.

A couple of helicopter carriers are not enough for the UK or France to fulfill their defense commitments to their overseas territories.
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8 February 2019), I post
Rosyth shipyard job losses could lead to ‘yawning skills gap’, says Unite
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UK trade union Unite the Union has announced that Babcock’s Rosyth shipyard job losses could leave the Royal Navy with a shortage of skilled employees.

Babcock, a UK Ministry of Defence (MOD) contractor, is set to cut 150 jobs at its Rosyth shipyard in Scotland. The proposed job cuts will be divided between manual and office roles.

Unite the Union manufacturing assistant general secretary Steve Turner said: “Today’s announcement of job losses will send shudders down the spine of shipyard workers across the UK who in recent months have endured the threat of redundancy on the Mersey and the closure of Devon’s Appledore shipyard.

“The fear is that these job losses at Rosyth could turn into a flood and the industry left with a yawning skills gap unless the UK government starts supporting UK Plc by delivering on a shipbuilding strategy that guarantees the Royal Navy’s new auxiliary ships are block built in UK shipyards using British steel, in addition to bringing forward work on the Type 31e frigate for export around the globe.”

The latest redundancies come after the company announced 250 job cuts in November 2017 and an additional 150 in March last year.

A Babcock spokesperson was quoted by media sources as saying: “Today’s workforce announcement is a continuation of the need to right size our organisation.”

The spokesperson also said that the firm is pushing ahead with the proposed Rosyth shipyard job losses following an assessment of its ‘current workload and medium-term opportunities’.

As part of the assessment, Babcock considered the roles as redundant as a result of the ‘rundown of the Prince of Wales contract and uncertainty around future workload’.

At Rosyth shipyard, Babcock worked as part of a team to deliver the UK’s £6.2bn Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, which entered service into the Royal Navy in December 2017.

At the time, Member of Scottish Parliament for Cowdenbeath Anabelle Ewing told the
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: “As the carrier programme comes to an end, there is the real prospect of further job losses so I want to know what the Ministry of Defence can offer in terms of opportunities to bring more work to Rosyth and ensure that these skills are retained in our community.”

Last month, the company won a £5m contract to perform
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on HMS Queen Elizabeth. Babcock is currently working on the second carrier, HMS Prince of Wales.

The UK MOD also awarded contracts in December 2018 to teams led by BAE Systems, Babcock and Atlas Elektronik UK to develop their plans for the construction of the proposed
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for the British Royal Navy.
 
inside (dated February 11, 2019)
UK to purchase two Littoral Strike Ships
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Our vision is for these ships to form part of 2 Littoral Strike Groups complete with escorts, support vessels and helicopters. One would be based East of Suez in the Indo-Pacific and one based West of Suez in the Mediterranean, Atlantic and Baltic.

global presence huh
money, Mr. Defence Secretary, not a problem?
 

Neutral Zone

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inside (dated February 11, 2019)
UK to purchase two Littoral Strike Ships
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Our vision is for these ships to form part of 2 Littoral Strike Groups complete with escorts, support vessels and helicopters. One would be based East of Suez in the Indo-Pacific and one based West of Suez in the Mediterranean, Atlantic and Baltic.

global presence huh
money, Mr. Defence Secretary, not a problem?

Yep, I suspect that this plan will be dumped quietly before long when Financial reality bites.
 

Brumby

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US fighter jets to join new British aircraft carrier’s first operational mission
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The HMS Queen Elizabeth, the United Kingdom’s newest aircraft carrier, will make its debut operational mission this year with a complement of U.S. fighter jets, British Defense Secretary Gavin Williamson announced this week.

The Queen Elizabeth will carry both British and American F-35 Lightning II fighter jets on upcoming patrols, Williamson said during a speech Monday at the Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies.

Williamson said the mission will include a patrol through the Pacific Ocean, where the U.S. has been conducting freedom-of-navigation operations within 12 nautical miles of the Spratly and Paracel island groups in the South China Sea, both claimed by China.
The timeline for the operational debut of the QE seems to be much earlier than I thought - something like only in 2021.

The F-35 is an incredible ISR asset and will seriously challenge QE's infrastructure ability to optimally network the asset. I think it is a good thing though. The story is while the LHA America was purposely built with the F-35 in mind, it was still seriously stretched with its broadband ability to handle the volume of data coming through from the F-35 communication channels and that was with a 32 MB pipe. The QE only has 8 MB.
 
... The QE only has 8 MB.
heard Mar 13, 2016
now I read some news about the Queen Elisabeth class being built (I can't get that article "Status update: UK carrier progress" by Rupert Pengelley, directly from Jane's though as the link doesn't work for me; the translation, at the site of a Russian blogger
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contains pictures), and what's hard to believe is 8 Mb/s Ethernet on board (an internal fiber-optic network with transmission rate of eight Megabits per second)
 
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