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FORBIN

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That schematic looks like a decent FFG.

24 VLS + Eght ASMs, a gun up to a 5". two 30mm cannons, a dedicated helo hanger, and a lot more.

I like it.

For armament decent remains to see waht AShM ? which can be eventualy also LACM coz sure it is not Harpoon ofc also Exocet so can be AGM-158C or this project Perseus i like much it and seems the true succesor for AShM on UK/French combattants 300 km, warhead, 300 kg, sea skimming, very fast a good project.

Replace also SCALP-EG.


MBDA describes the missile as a "Unique multi-role, multi-Platform weapon system" to be integrated on all major weapon platforms such as; warships, submarines, aircraft and land-based platforms.
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launched and is compatible with the American
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Jeff Head

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but it would EXPENSIVE; RN is more likely to choose between
  • the derivative, called "Avenger" as far as I know, of
    NOT ARMED FOR ESCORT DUTIES, or
  • the derivative, called "Cutlass" as far as I know, of
    NOT ARMED FOR ESCORT DUTIES either

(FORBIN was the first here to post about those two designs: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk-military-news-reports-data-etc.t2437/page-180#post-405753 and realistic info is available in
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part Frigates despair)
I hope they choose neither of those. No hanger? For a front line frigate for the RN. That would be intolerable. They are already building a bunch of decent OPVs.

That first one I reposted was worthy of being an RN FFG.
 
I hope they choose neither of those. No hanger? For a front line frigate for the RN. That would be intolerable. They are already building a bunch of decent OPVs.

That first one I reposted was worthy of being an RN FFG.
oh Jeff no ASW capabilities on this one either!! OK except of a helo (that design is called "Venator 110" as far as I know; you can download a brochure from:
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from what I figured, the RN ran into this problem: after "design phase" which took some twenty years, Type 26 (also called Global Combat Ship)
turned out to be huge (8k range), expensive (1b pounds range) vessel, which only fanbois :) believe could be exported, so only eight can be procured; one of the three designs we talked about above
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk-military-news-reports-data-etc.t2437/page-187#post-412518
should become so called Type 31: "smaller, low-cost alternative to fill the numbers", and as far as I understand:
  • smaller, yes (3k range);
  • low cost (400m pounds range), not exactly;
  • the numbers are unclear at this point (but eight, plus those eight Type 26, would be needed just to replace Type 23)
 

Jeff Head

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oh Jeff no ASW capabilities on this one either!! OK except of a helo
That first one also have the HF Sonar.

So, I think they are going to be more ASW capable than you think.

When you consider that with an adaptable Mission Module and a separate Mission Hanger for Remote Control Devices...those things have the potential for ASW writtne all over them.
 
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only time can tell the outcome:
British Officials Consider Reprieve for Sentinel Fleet
Plans to ax one of the five Sentinel R1 ground surveillance aircraft operated by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) may temporarily be put on hold as officials consider reprieving the jet until a longer-term decision on the fleet's future can be made.

The RAF had been proposing to cut one of the aircraft from the fleet of Raytheon-developed Sentinel aircraft by early October as part of a broader bid to generate cash savings that under new government rules can be ploughed into other equipment budgets rather than being handed back to the Treasury.

One government source said it is now “ likely that the fifth aircraft it will be retained until the end of the financial year” to give time for a decision on longer-term plans for the aircraft.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said that no final decision had been taken on whether the fleet would be reduced.

The plan to reduce the RAF’s already stretched Sentinel fleet were publicly condemned by the RAF’s ISTAR Force commander, Air Commodore Dean Andrew, during a briefing with reporters at the Farnborough International Airshow in July.

Andrew said it was “unimaginable” the capability of 5 Army Co-operation Squadron would be reduced to just four aircraft when the fleet of lifesaving ISTAR jets remained in high demand.

Sentinel has played a key ISTAR role for the British and their allies in several conflicts around the world since it came into service at the end of 2008.

The aircraft, a Bombardier business jet modified with ground-moving target-indicator and synthetic-aperture radar sensor, has seen action in Afghanistan, Libya, Mali and elsewhere. It’s now providing vital battlefield data as part of the coalition mission against Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq.

Such was the high volume of commitments by the British government that the ISTAR commander labelled Sentinel as the “prime minister's go-to airplane."

“As a war fighter, its unthinkable we would let this capability wither on the vine,” Andrew said.

Sentinel has been the target for cuts before. In the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR), the government said it would completely ax the fleet once British forces withdrew from Afghanistan.

That plan was finally rescinded in last year’s SDSR when the Conservative-led government confirmed it would extend the Sentinel in-service time into the next decade as part of a wider ISTAR plan, which also involved the stretching of Sentry AEW and Rivet Joint signals intelligence aircraft out-of-service dates to 2035 and the Shadow intelligence platform to 2030.

The British are also set to purchase 20 more capable Protector versions of the Reaper drone and nine Boeing P-8 maritime patrol aircraft to boost its surveillance capabilities.

"The MoD can confirm the Sentinel capability is being extended in service until March 2021. The provision of an equivalent capability for the longer term remains under consideration”, the MoD spokesman said.

A decision on the longer-term retention of the Sentinel fleet is in the works but would probably be subject to a Joint Forces Command study now underway to look at equivalent capability options beyond 2021.

Sentinel prime contractor Raytheon has been working on a road map to update the aircraft and manage obsolescence issues if the Sentinel remains in service far beyond 2021.
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Jeff Head

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only time can tell the outcome:
British Officials Consider Reprieve for Sentinel Fleet

Plans to ax one of the five Sentinel R1 ground surveillance aircraft operated by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) may temporarily be put on hold as officials consider reprieving the jet until a longer-term decision on the fleet's future can be made.

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I hope they do put it on hold.

Heck, they only have five of them.

Somehow in the UK these pols think that if they have more than two or three, or five or six of an article...that that is enough.

If something serious ever goes down, they will find how wrong they are.

Do these people EVER read history?
 

Jeff Head

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refurbished for tens of millions of pounds, so it's time to scrap her
HMS Ocean to be decommissioned in 2018, MoD announces
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so that a dozen of F-35Bs can be flaunted on a supercarrier
Unbelievable!

In 2014 they spent over 65 million pounds to refurbish her...and now hey are going to scrap her in 2018?

The MoD should be renamed to be MAD, as in Madness!

@Obi Wan Russell What are these people smoking?

What are they injecting into their veins?
 

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