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Alfa_Particle

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No disrespect but I'll see you eat these words within the next two or three weeks, lol

Well then I'll be patiently waiting the coming 3 weeks to be proven wrong. Until then, what I've said still remains accurate.

And it doesn't have to compete with what the others come up with, it is developed to meet Turkey's own requirements and is developed in accordance with their own financial and technical abilities. Also, comparing a country the size of Turkey with the likes of two great superpowers shows how ignorant you are.

Fighter jets, especially stealth fighters, needs to be competitive with it's peers in order to not remain at a disadvantage. So yes, they do need to compete with others, or else what's the point of a 5th Gen if it isn't competitive with other 5th Gens?

It does provide valuable experience developing fighters like such. But the experience is ultimately contributing to creating and refining the product as best as it can be anyways. You don't learn because you don't want to win. You learn because you want to be competitive, right?

How is comparison ignorant now? Or are you getting defensive? I don't see why the comparison would be invalid, as all of them are working towards the same thing: a capable 5th Gen fighter.

You're a new member here and everything you've wrote so far on different topics displays your lack of respect and knowledge so you should first observe a bit and then come up with your own conclusions. I mean, isn't that the wise thing to do? First inform yourself a bit, do some research and then talk big.

Also, isn't this behaviour considered trolling and derailing the topic?

I could be misinterpreting, but are you trying to undermine my credibility by saying I'm a new member and do not make any contributions? False aside, that's a classic example of ad hominem. I pointed out a questionable aspect, and was immediately attacked by you.

I inform any notable news from Weibo, or any Chinese outlets that haven't reached here yet, as I know the language. Things such as new photos like the J-35, videos such as the J-20A one, etc. I also point out some inaccuracies here and there.

Calling me 'displaying a lack of knowledge' is quite amusing. I do admit I'm still young in some aspects, but I do very much observe, refute, and learn. And I dare say I'm fairly well-informed, at least compared to the general public.

I never talked big, only pointed out the fact that none of the bells and whistles in the PPT slide you replied my comment with from another thread are real yet. Perhaps you should wait until they are more mature, then you can talk big.

I see you have great pride for your country. I do respect it, but cockiness isn't respectable.

Please note that none of my comments are with a malicious intent to undermine a country's progress. I'm merely scrutinizing what are the actual capabilities in contrast to what's claimed. If I did offended you, I do apologize as it's not my intention.

I did not derail the topic. @sequ replied to me, and I merely questioned how real it is. And trolling, by definition, is to deliberately upset someone. That is NOT my intention. I pointed out it IS still a PPT, and Turkey is still behind, with an active effort to catch up. My wording is completely honest with no malicious intention, and I consider them factually correct.

This has nothing to do with the current stage of the program though. My reasoning for his post being derailing is that there wasn't a prior discussion about it today but he came and wrote something totally unrelated and also provocative. I can see from his previous posts about other topics that he does neither much research nor writes informative things either.

In my book and many others', that's considered at least derailing/non-topic and maybe trolling. But his intention is obvious for everyone to see. The same kind of posts on other threads get deleted all the time yet not on this thread. I think the same kind of rules and moderation should be applied here also.

Isn't that a fair suggestion?

And all I'm asking him is to read a bit before coming to a conclusion. It's obvious he doesn't follow this topic.
Again, I came because someone replied to me, and I questioned the actuality of the features shown. It's not unrelated, and I do accidently provoke people a lot. So for that I once again apologize.

You keep accusing me for not doing research, but without evidence. On the other hand, in my TWR calculations I did do research, and in other posts too. Are you sure you're not too biased?

I've already shown I am indeed (at least somewhat) informative. Your accusations are invalid and empty.
Well, IMO it is provocative but IMO he's correct: Kaan IS STILL a prototype yet and even if it will fly within the next weeks, no-one needs to "eat these words" since even then and as long as the engine issue is not solved, it remains a prototype and testbed at best.

That all has NOTHING TO DO with lack of respect or even disrespect, but a lot of experience and the fear that a fighter of this size and complexity has actually simply been taken over: And in general, once again: criticism or skepticism has nothing to do with a lack of respect, but it is common for the newcomer to have to prove what he can actually do - especially after all the loud announcements - and not the other way around. And even a successful first flight won't change that at all. It was also a long way from the YF-22 to the F-22A, the EAP to the Eurofighter or the Rafale-T to the production model.

As such Kaan, as magnificent and promising as it may be ... is still a prototype today; nothing more.
Provocation was not part of my intent, only questioning and scrutinizing. The vapor comment was only for emphasizing my view, but in hindsight, it could be seen as provocative. I'm not great at sugarcoating my questions and observations. I do apologize. And your last sentence is what I'm reiterating.

I'll refrain from defending myself anymore unless absolutely required to avoid going completely off-topic of this thread. But please do keep in mind that people scrutinizing and voicing skepticism does not equal disrespect or an intent to provoke.

I rest my case.
 

sequ

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Well then I'll be patiently waiting the coming 3 weeks to be proven wrong.
Actually, the latest given date is before the end of March.

If I did offended you, I do apologize as it's not my intention.
So for that I once again apologize.
The vapor comment was only for emphasizing my view, but in hindsight, it could be seen as provocative.
Sounds like a mea culpa to me.

Meanwhile, there is a series on youtube on TUSAS' abilities. Worth to have a look at with subs activated. There are some of the technologies being discussed in some of the videos.

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It's a no-brainer that their abilities will only grow in the future.

Good luck.
 

sequ

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Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün: “With our electronic warfare capabilities, we have gained a product range that very few countries in the world have. However, getting to this point is not an easy thing.
For a country to gain electronic warfare capability; "You have to find answers to problems such as processing 1 million radar pulses per second, solving equations with 200 million unknowns on supercomputers, and mixing dozens of radars at the same time."



 

HighGround

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Fighter jets, especially stealth fighters, needs to be competitive with it's peers in order to not remain at a disadvantage. So yes, they do need to compete with others, or else what's the point of a 5th Gen if it isn't competitive with other 5th Gens?

The point of a 5th gen fighter isn't simply to fight other 5th gen fighters. A fighter aircraft is a part of system, which seeks to achieve certain battlefield effects. Comparisons with other fighters are perfectly fine and sometimes necessary, but the worth of a fighter isn't solely determined by how competitive it is against other fighters of its class.

KAAN looks to be a very significant improvement over the F-16, regardless of how "inferior" it'll be in comparison to the F-35. Instead of comparing to how much better offerings from United States and China are, one should be looking at how much it will improve Turkey's Air Force, what new capabilities it will present, and how it solves Turkey's airspace challenges. Because that's what matters. This equipment is there to solve problems, not to flex its spec sheet.

Provocation was not part of my intent, only questioning and scrutinizing. The vapor comment was only for emphasizing my view, but in hindsight, it could be seen as provocative. I'm not great at sugarcoating my questions and observations. I do apologize. And your last sentence is what I'm reiterating.

I'll refrain from defending myself anymore unless absolutely required to avoid going completely off-topic of this thread. But please do keep in mind that people scrutinizing and voicing skepticism does not equal disrespect or an intent to provoke.

I rest my case.

There are better ways to phrase your thoughts without coming off as necessarily confrontational and argumentative. I'm not trying to mini-mod here, just stating that I am not at all surprised that other members here found your posts borderline offensive.
 

sequ

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The point of a 5th gen fighter isn't simply to fight other 5th gen fighters. A fighter aircraft is a part of system, which seeks to achieve certain battlefield effects. Comparisons with other fighters are perfectly fine and sometimes necessary, but the worth of a fighter isn't solely determined by how competitive it is against other fighters of its class.

KAAN looks to be a very significant improvement over the F-16, regardless of how "inferior" it'll be in comparison to the F-35. Instead of comparing to how much better offerings from United States and China are, one should be looking at how much it will improve Turkey's Air Force, what new capabilities it will present, and how it solves Turkey's airspace challenges. Because that's what matters. This equipment is there to solve problems, not to flex its spec sheet.



There are better ways to phrase your thoughts without coming off as necessarily confrontational and argumentative. I'm not trying to mini-mod here, just stating that I am not at all surprised that other members here found your posts borderline offensive.
You couldn't have worded it better. Props.
 

sequ

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Aselsan Gürz further developed with rearranged front search radars, added up-link antennas for Hisar missiles and added anti-drone capability both by EW and laser it seems.

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sequ

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A proud CEO of Aselsan speaking about their ability to produce GaN transistors for radars. Showing a TRM (16 chips times 72 modules) of the F-16 radar:

 
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CasualObserver

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Seems like the first vehicle to integrate point defense gun, laser, and missile into a single platform.
Yeah, there is not much left to integrate... It seems to have received some orders from the Army but I don't think it is that large of an order considering the price tag of this thing...
 
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