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meckhardt98

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Turkey is extending its influence all over the world. A carrier comes very handy in such a situation.
Perhaps it’s influence to the Islamic world while still trying to prove itself to the European Union. Turkey has expressed little to no desire in pushing influence outside of its already existing sphere of influence within the Caucasus and Middle East. Instead what we’ll see is Turkey exercising control across the Middle East from the damming up of rivers and the funding of militant groups across unstable developing nations. A full sized aircraft carrier will not help them accomplish that goal.

That is however my opinion and that’s the last I’ll say on that so we don’t fill the forum with back and forth speculation and difference of opinion.
 

sequ

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That is however my opinion and that’s the last I’ll say on that so we don’t fill the forum with back and forth speculation and difference of opinion.
Indeed. I rather trust the strategic calculations of a professional and modern military to a random guy on the internet.
 

schrage musik

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True however I doubt the platforms ability in air-to-air engagements as it is an unproven platform. However for air-to-ground engagements it’ll function similarly to how the United States uses its aircraft carriers. We’ll have to see it’s development however the precedent set is exciting and I’m happy to see something new for a change, although my opinion is irrelevant on the development of weapons platforms.
The MIUS planform is very similar to that of the J-20. Form follows function. The J-20 is primarily designed for air to air performance.
 

Deino

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Turkey is also in the process of getting a fully fledged aircraft carrier by 2030+. It'll most probably carry a manned fighter (TF-X/Hurjet) besides the UCAV's by then.


Oh come on ... by 2030+ they will have nothing! not a CV, not the money to develop and not even a fighter nor UCAV to operate from. Turkey needs no fully fledged carrier and cannot afford it, but all these nationalistic fan-boys like and and so the government tells them what they want to hear. It's ridiculous to think this will happen.

It was said by the President during the launching of the 'Istanbul' frigate. Aircraft carrier project will start after the delivery of the Anadolu LHD. According to him the negotiations have started.

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schrage musik

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Oh come on ... by 2030+ they will have nothing! not a CV, not the money to develop and not even a fighter nor UCAV to operate from. Turkey needs no fully fledged carrier and cannot afford it, but all these nationalistic fan-boys like and and so the government tells them what they want to hear. It's ridiculous to think this will happen.




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That is frankly a juvenile response from someone who is supposed to act as a super moderator at this forum. Care to explain why you think any of those targets are not feasible? Are there any technological or industrial limitations which you know of that make these targets impossible?

I, for one, think these targets are not ambitious at all.

The Japanese Izumo class light aircraft carrier is 27000 tons. The Anadolu LHD is also 27000 tons. The Turks could modify the design and launch a Izumo type light CV in 2-3 years if they needed to. Developing a larger, Charles De Gaulle sized conventionally powered carrier in 10 years is well within reach of the Turkish industry.

The CTO of Bayraktar Defence has announced that the MIUS is in development and will fly by 2023. I'll take his word for it because he is an engineer who happens to be working on the project. If you know better, I'd like to ask you to explain to us why it won't fly by 2023? or why it won't be operational by 2030?
 

BoraTas

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Oh come on ... by 2030+ they will have nothing! not a CV, not the money to develop and not even a fighter nor UCAV to operate from. Turkey needs no fully fledged carrier and cannot afford it, but all these nationalistic fan-boys like and and so the government tells them what they want to hear. It's ridiculous to think this will happen.




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What I fear as a Turkish citizen is the overspending on the military. Turkey currently engages in a lot of accounting tricks to make its military spending look normal. A lot of the military facility construction and maintenance are recorded as infrastructure spending. Treatment of wounded soldiers is included in healthcare spending. The ~$16 billion defense industry support budget is not included in military spending. Budgets of the coast guard, gendarmerie, police special operations (who own attack helicopters and are currently engaging in expeditionary warfare despite being a police force on paper) are included in the budget of the ministry of interior.

Turkey currently spends ~25% of its government budget on the military. If it wants a CV by 2030, it will probably get it. But this wouldn't be a productive investment for the reasons mentioned by other members. I am conflicted in my feelings about the achievements of the Turkish defense industry. On one hand, Turkey went from not being able to manufacture armor piercing bullets to being able to detonate IEDs with indigenous lasers in 25 years. On the other hand, this was a result of mostly politically motivated excessive spending.
 

Kaine

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What I fear as a Turkish citizen is the overspending on the military. Turkey currently engages in a lot of accounting tricks to make its military spending look normal. A lot of the military facility construction and maintenance are recorded as infrastructure spending. Treatment of wounded soldiers is included in healthcare spending. The ~$16 billion defense industry support budget is not included in military spending. Budgets of the coast guard, gendarmerie, police special operations (who own attack helicopters and are currently engaging in expeditionary warfare despite being a police force on paper) are included in the budget of the ministry of interior.

Turkey currently spends ~25% of its government budget on the military. If it wants a CV by 2030, it will probably get it. But this wouldn't be a productive investment for the reasons mentioned by other members. I am conflicted in my feelings about the achievements of the Turkish defense industry. On one hand, Turkey went from not being able to manufacture armor piercing bullets to being able to detonate IEDs with indigenous lasers in 25 years. On the other hand, this was a result of mostly politically motivated excessive spending.
Well said. I am sure that every mid-power country if really decided to throw caution to the wind and start unrealistically invest in their military they could start catching up on the latest of the military tech (would take decades though)

However we need to ask ourselves, is this approach sustainable? Can the country sustain this kind of excessive expenditure for a minimum of 1-2 decades?

Instead, why not stop this money wasting and improve the economy. Why spend all these dozens of billions to build so many warships, when you could invest that money to your universities, businesses, infrastructure, digitization, trade, upgrading the industry value chain etc

See China for example. isn't China facing more danger and risk than Turkey?
Yes it is, but did it decide to go for mass military spending?
No it didnt.

Instead they are throwing money to develop their interior and build up their economy. Now that China has a gigantic economy it can afford to spend some money on the military, which mind you, is still vastly lower per GDP than its adversary the US.

I am afraid that Turkey is going the wrong way with Erdogan. He made too many diplomatic adventures and focused on the military too much while neglecting the economy. As a result, common Turning people have drastically lower quality of life, they are poorer, and ultimately have started turning against Erdogan


IMO Turkey should forget the aircraft carrier thing, and start refocusing its investments into the civilian sector.

My 2¢
 

sequ

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Instead, why not stop this money wasting and improve the economy. Why spend all these dozens of billions to build so many warships, when you could invest that money to your universities, businesses, infrastructure, digitization, trade, upgrading the industry value chain etc
Turkey is already doing that. The both the military and civilian industries are developing at the same time. There has always existed an industrial base in Turkey and now with the right investments and attention, they are growing and bearing fruits. Is Turkey a fully developed 1st world economy? No, but it is paving the way towards that goal with adding value to Turkish products.

See China for example. isn't China facing more danger and risk than Turkey?
Yes it is, but did it decide to go for mass military spending?
No it didnt.
Relatively speaking no. But because of its inherent mass, in absolute terms, yes.

Instead they are throwing money to develop their interior and build up their economy(...)I am afraid that Turkey is going the wrong way with Erdogan. He made too many diplomatic adventures and focused on the military too much while neglecting the economy. As a result, common Turning people have drastically lower quality of life, they are poorer, and ultimately have started turning against Erdogan
It isn't as simple as that in our overly connected world economy. For a young and underdeveloped country, government investment is great to kickstart the economy but there come a point where the economy needs to sustain itself and government investing will yield little to no benefits. Turkeys economy is under covert and overt embargoes and Covid isn't exactly helping either. But a long as the economy grows GDP PPP wise, there is a very high chance of economic recovery in nominal terms.

IMO Turkey should forget the aircraft carrier thing, and start refocusing its investments into the civilian sector.
IMO Turkey should pursue such a project in an increasingly multipolar world where Turkey has a high chance of becoming one of the polars. In order to protect its economic and geopolitical interests, a carrier with long reach is necessary.
 

sequ

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The MIUS planform is very similar to that of the J-20. Form follows function. The J-20 is primarily designed for air to air performance.
It'll probably be fitted with an afterburning turbofan in the F125 class. The Ukrainian AI-222-25F with 9300lb of thrust is a prime candidate to power the supersonic variant of the MIUS. With a wingspan of around 10m, canards and relatively low weight, and no human limitation, it will outmaneuver and outgun manned fighters.

With an internal weapons bay carrying at least 2 (ramjet) BVR missiles, small size, VLO characteristics, AESA radar, passive sensors, AI, swarming and CEC, it will be a hell for the opponent. I believe this will be the most important Turkish military project during this decade even more important than the TF-X.

There is a reason why both the CTO of Baykar and the minister for industry and technology are confident about the MIUS. Minister Varank said previously that te world will stop talking about the F-35 and will start talking about Turkish drones. They aren't selling fantasies, they know the capabilities present in Turkey.

The MIUS fitted with GPS, GLONASS, BEIDOU and in the future a Turkish satnav system, will be very hard to jam. Add to that, ground image recognition software and SAR in the event of satnav failure/jamming, the MIUS will never lose its position. And if it all happens over sea, modern INS will take over until land is within sight of the ground image recognition software or SAR and it will immediately calibrate its position again. The MIUS will never lose its bearing :cool:!

The head of Aselsan said on twitter that he looks forward to 'decorate' the MIUS:

What a beautiful holiday news… It is our pleasure to decorate you with what suits you.
 

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