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[2handedswordsman]

This is a "problem" I don't want fixed. China communicates like an intelligent introvert; the strong, silent, show-not-tell type. Most people are idiot blabbermouths who believe whatever is fed to them most at the loudest volume.

China declares it intends to eradicate poverty. 10 years later, China presents a chart showing a 98% drop in poverty in China. Mic drop, walk away. 80% of the foreigners out there can't read a chart, some big mouth yells, "Yo, that chart's going down! That means China's economy's in trouble!" They all clap and think China failed. That's because they're pathetic, not because China's bad at anything.

Trump declares he will erase the trade deficit and crush China's economy. 2 years later, the trade deficit is higher and China's economy has grown 5-6% each year unperturbed. Trump's cabinet of morons goes, "China's economy is struggling on the brink of collapse and our trade deficit was addressed like never before; we've never been in a stronger position. God bless President Trump." Rednecks who have no idea how to check anything believe what's fed to them and crack open the 30 case of Pabst Blue Ribbon.

I don't ever want China to become like number 2. Stay us; stay the one with many achievements but few words.

Not exactly, if you follow CGTN in YT and Globaltimes and Xinhua, there's plenty of news that matter if you are...just serious. The twitter politics aren't something diferrent than brain farting

 

[manqiangrexue]

Not exactly, if you follow CGTN in YT and Globaltimes and Xinhua, there's plenty of news that matter if you are...just serious. The twitter politics aren't something diferrent than brain farting

I wasn't talking about Twitter; I was talking about official news for serious people. Chinese news will declare the facts without bragging or shitting on other people. 5% growth is 5% growth; we don't say we got 5%, thus wrecking all competitors, and we certainly don't say, "Our economy grew by a miraculous world-beating 0.8% while our rival's is in shambles, missing al expectations and on the verge of social collapse with a pitiful 5%." America's professional news outlets talk like what I just highlighted.

 

[RoastGooseHKer]

What if Japan develop nukes, how will China respond? I don't think China will attack Japan for that reason. Most likely China will develop even more nukes.

The Taiwan scenario is different. Taiwan will get attacked for developing nukes

That’s the issue. China may not want an all out war with Japan or even Taiwan. If reunification with Taiwan or weakening of Japan could be achieved through nonviolent means, that would be ideal. The problem would be if Japan insists on getting nukes before China develops a whole set of sanctioning and embargo tools powerful enough to cripple Japan without a fight. Same thing could be said about Taiwan. Both might try to shoot for the endgame by betting China lacks the will to strike at the moment. It is what folks called betting your national destiny.

 

[siegecrossbow]

One thing MAGAs and Wumaos can agree upon.

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BTW I wish Nancy a long life so she could see AR happen.

 

[Randomuser]

I wasn't talking about Twitter; I was talking about official news for serious people. Chinese news will declare the facts without bragging or shitting on other people. 5% growth is 5% growth; we don't say we got 5%, thus wrecking all competitors, and we certainly don't say, "Our economy grew by a miraculous world-beating 0.8% while our rival's is in shambles, missing al expectations and on the verge of social collapse with a pitiful 5%." America's professional news outlets talk like what I just highlighted.

I remember seeing a post on Reddit (god forbid) in chess. It was about an an analysis of Ding Liren explaining his process through the world championships etc.

Since Indians care so much about chess right now, a few of them saw the article and said, this style reminds me of the newspapers I read in the 90s which was cold, objective and professional. Feels like almost going through a time machine because modern Indian media is completely different. It is all on clickbaiting, ragebaiting, being unprofessional in general etc.

I mean look at the format of modern media. How many of them have inflammatory stuff in is title like "and thats a good thing!" or "but at what cost?". You are the news ffs! I didn't ask for your input on whether this is a good thing or not! There's always some blatant mean spirited jab or whatever that probably would have failed you in journalism school last decade.

I'm not that old yet but looking at media now vs then in enough detail and you will probably ask wtf happened?

 

[GulfLander]

During remarks at the National War College on Friday, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth spoke about the military's procurement process and industrial capacity.

"Arsenal of freedom"

 

[4Tran]

I remember seeing a post on Reddit (god forbid) in chess. It was about an an analysis of Ding Liren explaining his process through the world championships etc.

Since Indians care so much about chess right now, a few of them saw the article and said, this style reminds me of the newspapers I read in the 90s which was cold, objective and professional. Feels like almost going through a time machine because modern Indian media is completely different. It is all on clickbaiting, ragebaiting, being unprofessional in general etc.

I mean look at the format of modern media. How many of them have inflammatory stuff in is title like "and thats a good thing!" or "but at what cost?". You are the news ffs! I didn't ask for your input on whether this is a good thing or not! There's always some blatant mean spirited jab or whatever that probably would have failed you in journalism school last decade.

I'm not that old yet but looking at media now vs then in enough detail and you will probably ask wtf happened?

I think that Western journalists were simply more invested in keeping up the veneer of objectivity and sophistication. Back then, a lot of the bad journalism still existed, but because it followed the New York Times manual of style, it just felt more respectable. But think about all those articles by China experts from way back then; are they any better than the junk that gets published today?

I think that what happened was consolidation: more and more media outlets got bought up by the same group of billionaires and reporters simply stopped giving a damn. It doesn't help that nobody wants to pay for the news any more, and things that don't make money in the West tend to rapidly deteriorate.

"Arsenal of freedom"

Wake me up when the Americans actually try to fix the problems in their procurement system. The fundamental difference is that the goal of a new Chinese system is to increase the capability of the PLA and to better address the perceived military needs whereas the goal of a new American system is to make money. The Americans will never ever see this as a problem so they'll never try to fix it.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The big challenge for China would be how to prevent Japan from getting nukes. South Korea having nukes would not be a big deal for China since NK would always keep Seoul in check. For China, the biggest nonproliferation problem would always remain Japan and Taiwan to a lesser extend.

It is not a problem if you view it objectively and are willing to escalate to deescalate.

 

[RoastGooseHKer]

It is not a problem if you view it objectively and are willing to escalate to deescalate.

Well should there ever be an end to the US-Japan alliance, survival would be of upmost importance for Tokyo, so nuclear weapon would be the only option. Given the examples of NK and China in the 1960s, no amount of sanctions would stop a determined pursuer of nukes even at the cost of great economic hardship. That leaves a majour all-out war the only option (and even without US involvement, countries like India and Australia would likely join Japan in a last ditched effort to weaken China geopolitically) except China would have no choice but becoming the aggressor this time around. The most troubling scenario for China would be if the US were to decide to terminate its alliance with Japan whilst guaranteeing a nuclear umbrella for Japan up to the day when Japan’s nukes enters LOW status.

 

[Moonscape]

Well should there ever be an end to the US-Japan alliance, survival would be of upmost importance for Tokyo, so nuclear weapon would be the only option. Given the examples of NK and China in the 1960s, no amount of sanctions would stop a determined pursuer of nukes even at the cost of great economic hardship. That leaves a majour all-out war the only option (and even without US involvement, countries like India and Australia would likely join Japan in a last ditched effort to weaken China geopolitically) except China would have no choice but becoming the aggressor this time around. The most troubling scenario for China would be if the US were to decide to terminate its alliance with Japan whilst guaranteeing a nuclear umbrella for Japan up to the day when Japan’s nukes enters LOW status.

I think the US will be unwilling to lose DC or NYC in a second strike for Japan's sake.

Incidentally, China has been scrambling to beef up its second strike capabilities.