Trump 2.0 official thread

fatzergling

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Isn't it quite obvious now? When they demand that other countries make direct payments to the Ministry of Finance, we can all see that MAGA only wants the world to pay off their deficits.
I watched one interview videos online, and a student living in the US shared he saw the naive mentality of MAGAs: they really thought that increasing tariffs would increase government revenue, and then the government could provide them with welfare benefits.
Notice something here: Trump's MAGA crowd will approve of Trump wants as long as the welfare checks continue to clear. But if there's a major recession or god forbid, depression, they will immediately turn on the government and Trump. We reach the logical conclusion of neglecting American human capital: people so rich, but unable to comprehend why they are rich, and as a result eagerly destroy the very institutions that enrich them. To be fair, many of their lives are quite tough, with a lack of dignifying jobs, low quality of local education, and drug addition chaining them. But due to the state governments (deliberately) defunding education, they come to the wrong conclusion, and hence we get Trump. It is an unfortunate series of events.

There's a saying that "Democrats hate their base, while Republicans fear their base". The base that the Republicans cultivated ever since Goldwater activated the "Southern Strategy" have bested the conservative businessmen and are in charge now. And well ... you decide how good they are at governing!
 

sanctionsevader

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Just found this thread on X, an interesting read and a potential for what could have been, apparently the tariffs were never supposed to be this massive bomb on the whole world all at once.
Not buying what Miran was selling tbh, exact same problems with supply chains, Chinese retaliation and issues of securing lasting obedience from the RoW exist on top of the issue that the only way the plan doesn’t freak out RoW is if he doesn’t publicize it lmao, and he later claimed the plan is not in effect (not relevant, I believe were his words). Could be trying to walk it back but they blew their load anyway. I was aware of this plan earlier and we discussed it a little bit on this thread and on Reddit, to be honest it’s just a fantasy claiming big things without data to support.
 

nativechicken

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I still think that the US and China will reach an agreement sooner or later, even if it is not a comprehensive agreement. This trade clash of such intensity is not beneficial to either party; no trade can survive a rate of 145%. But it seems that Beijing is better prepared. Since 2018, they have managed to gather a lot of ammunition to use. Even though China no longer has experts on the US as it did in the first trade war (Liu He), Li Qiang and Wang Wentao seem to be working well. But if the Chinese had started this work of expanding consumption back in 2015/2016, as I have already reiterated here, perhaps today they would have even more means to fight head-on.
I understand your concerns about the trade situation. If possible, I believe the Chinese government would also be willing to reach agreements with the U.S., even on terms that are relatively fair or require China to make minor concessions.

However, the core issue is this: America’s problems cannot be solved by China absorbing minor losses. Frankly, the U.S. system would require all nations globally to sacrifice themselves as blood supplies to sustain America’s survival for another 15-20 years. Even if "successful," this U.S.-built order would inevitably collapse.

China cannot sacrifice the wealth of its people – past, present, or future – to prop up a U.S. system with no hope of revival.

Ultimately, most countries worldwide will find it difficult to compromise with America. They will realize that the price the U.S. demands far exceeds their expectations – an unbearable cost.

Key Contextual References:
U.S. tariff coercion: The Trump administration’s 10% tariff hikes aim to extract $400 billion annually from global trade, reflecting systemic desperation.
China’s strategic restraint: Beijing’s countermeasures (e.g., targeted tariffs, export controls) prioritize stability while resisting U.S. demands for economic subjugation.
Global awakening: As noted in China Daily’s April 2025 editorial, nations increasingly recognize the unsustainability of U.S.-led extractive models.
 

Mt1701d

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There's a saying that "Democrats hate their base, while Republicans fear their base". The base that the Republicans cultivated ever since Goldwater activated the "Southern Strategy" have bested the conservative businessmen and are in charge now. And well ... you decide how good they are at governing!
Honestly, I feel like we are living through a sci-fi dystopian novel’s prologue. Someone made a big move, but is being pushed back into a corner, and usually at this point would be that someone making an even bigger move that is even more stupid and push things in the wrong direction.

Not buying what Miran was selling tbh, exact same problems with supply chains, Chinese retaliation and issues of securing lasting obedience from the RoW exist on top of the issue that the only way the plan doesn’t freak out RoW is if he doesn’t publicize it lmao, and he later claimed the plan is not in effect (not relevant, I believe were his words). Could be trying to walk it back but they blew their load anyway. I was aware of this plan earlier and we discussed it a little bit on this thread and on Reddit, to be honest it’s just a fantasy claiming big things without data to support.
While I agree mostly, I think the reactions and retaliations would have been much more acceptable for the US, China and ROW.

An initial 2% increase would not shock the markets to nearly the same degree and the continued creep after that, would generate outrage but not anywhere near the degree we have been seeing over the last week or 2, all the while generating quite a substantial revenue stream for US gov.

At the initial stage any over reaction from China would be looked at negatively by ROW for starting the fight rather the current view of a retaliation. It also give time for deals and paint the picture for industries that can actually manufacture in the US to plan and prepare. Given it would have taken much longer but the US might have gotten if not all, some of what it wanted.

In simpler terms, the original plan would be the US play go, instead of the 4D crocodile dentist they are playing now.
 
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jiajia99

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Trump on China: "I am sure we'll be able to get along very well. I have great respect for president Xi. He has been a friend of mine for a long period of time and we will be able to work out something that's good for both countries. I look forward to it"

Quite frankly for all the problems and attempts to harm China in such a naked way, he can go straight to that fiery place down under and all of his supporters and those stupid vassals can burn that image into there memories to the extent that it causes permanent brain damage.
 

Cygnus

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In addition to. Now you can get your Temu and fentanyl orders combined shipped to get an extra discount!
I would not be surprised if Team Trump seized this golden business opportunity to open His own online retail store like Amazon. Selling Temu, Shein and Aliexpress product at discounted prices. Of-course it is paid membership only. He would easily win this one against Amazon and Walmart.
 
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