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AssassinsMace

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Looks like EU leadership (Von der Leyen + Costa) are heading to Beijing this summer for the 50th anniversary summit. Previously there was some back and forth regarding arrangements over who hosts/who attends. EU wanted Xi to attend instead of Li, so they agreed to break protocol which says Europe should host this year.

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Of course, the real credit goes to Trump for providing the catalyst for this high-level exchange.


Rapprochement is okay but China isn't the one that acquiesces because it's the same ole same ole if they expect it from China. You know the first thing they'll demand is break it off with Russia. For Russia and China each is the other's ace in the hole if they decided to to go back to the Western world order. The second is China doesn't have to reform to their liking. China is in this position where the EU is looking to China because it didn't change to be like them... weak and dependent on the US. In exchange to open Chinese markets in an equal manner... that's acceptable. It has to be where if they some day want to go back running to the US, it's going to cost them.
 

sanctionsevader

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NGL, getting Vietnamese popular opinion behind China is truly impressive.

I saw a Viet twitter user mention that their goal will be to basically copy the China 2008 playbook of utilizing idle labor to hugely upgrade infrastructure, creating a bubble but also developing the seriously underdeveloped Viet infrastructure in order to prep for future higher tech mfg upgrading. I have no personal knowledge of their financial situation and from a trade POV they are somewhat similar position to where China was in 2008 except that the USA wants to strangle them if they don't agree to tariffing China.
 

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On April 10, 2025, the US government announced that the "reciprocal tariff" on Chinese goods exported to the US would be further increased to 125%. The US's arbitrary imposition of abnormally high tariffs on China seriously violates international economic and trade rules, disregards the post-World War II global economic order built by the US itself, and violates basic economic laws and common sense. It is completely a unilateral bullying and coercion. China strongly condemns this.

  In accordance with the Tariff Law of the People's Republic of China, the Customs Law of the People's Republic of China, the Foreign Trade Law of the People's Republic of China and other laws and regulations and the basic principles of international law, and with the approval of the State Council, the State Council Tariff Commission has announced that the additional tariff rate stipulated in the "Announcement of the State Council Tariff Commission on Adjusting the Measures for Imposing Additional Tariffs on Imported Goods Originating in the United States" (Tax Commission Announcement No. 5 of 2025) will be adjusted from 84% to 125% from April 12, 2025. Other matters shall be implemented in accordance with the "Announcement of the State Council Tariff Commission on Imposing Additional Tariffs on Imported Goods Originating in the United States" (Tax Commission Announcement No. 4 of 2025).

  Even if the US continues to impose higher tariffs, it will no longer make economic sense and will become a joke in the history of world economy. At the current tariff level, there is no market acceptance for US goods exported to China. If the US continues to play the tariff numbers game, China will ignore it. However, if the US insists on continuing to substantially infringe on China's interests, China will resolutely counterattack and fight to the end.
 

dingyibvs

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Well, I'll admit I'm wrong, seems like China is not done with this first battle yet. As mentioned before, higher tariff rates than the current rates don't materially affect trade much anymore, so both sides are after other things. It's interesting that China waited a day before responding some time, so I believe they did pause and assess the situation and decided that further pressuring the US is the right course of action. I wonder if the resumption of the bond yield increase and stock market tanking despite Trump's reprieve for the ROW is what prompted this.

With that said, the overall assessment I think still stands. The announcement from China states that no further tariffs will be enacted since at this rate no trade will occur. So I think they are still prepared for a pause and moving on. Just interesting that they decided fire one more shot and stop at 125% instead of 84%. This also gives Trump a ladder to climb down, because he now knows that he can impose more tariffs without further retaliatory tariffs so he can fire the final shot before moving on as well.
 
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Quan8410

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I saw a Viet twitter user mention that their goal will be to basically copy the China 2008 playbook of utilizing idle labor to hugely upgrade infrastructure, creating a bubble but also developing the seriously underdeveloped Viet infrastructure in order to prep for future higher tech mfg upgrading. I have no personal knowledge of their financial situation and from a trade POV they are somewhat similar position to where China was in 2008 except that the USA wants to strangle them if they don't agree to tariffing China.
Not even remotely similar. China in 2008 is already a manufacturing superpower and already have strong tech companies like Huawei, BYD. Vietnam doesn't have any core tech and their involvement in global supply chain is minimal even till now. Even with Samsung, they are mostly offering plastic packaging, sanitation services etc. They cannot even produce screws. What they are most similar to 2008 China is rampant corruption and extreme white worshiping.

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nativechicken

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Well, I'll admit I'm wrong, seems like China is not done with this first battle yet. As mentioned before, higher tariff rates than the current rates don't materially affect trade much anymore, so both sides are after other things. It's interesting that China waited a day before responding some time, so I believe they did pause and assess the situation and decided that further pressuring the US is the right course of action. I wonder if the resumption of the bond yield increase and stock market tanking despite Trump's reprieve for the ROW is what prompted this.
China has reached a point of indifference toward the U.S. tariff hikes (currently at 34% nominal rate, but effectively 54% after cumulative increases). De facto decoupling is now inevitable, though Beijing did not anticipate Trump’s erratic escalation – a childish game China no longer wishes to play.

The Chinese government’s policy responses follow structured decision-making cycles involving multiple departments. Historically, countermeasures were announced within one business day after U.S. actions. However, this week’s developments exposed Washington’s unreliability:

April 10: The U.S. abruptly raised tariffs to 125% overnight
April 11: Further revised to 145% despite internal communications indicating 125%
Faced with such capriciousness, China has officially declared disengagement from this "numerical arms race." A Foreign Ministry spokesperson stated:

"Regardless of future U.S. tariff percentages, China will no longer reciprocate. Let America play this game alone."

This outcome aligns with most Chinese citizens’ expectations. As noted in China’s 2025 White Paper:

"Unilateral coercion only accelerates the demise of U.S. economic credibility."

Strategic Implications

Tariff Reality: Effective 54% U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods (20% baseline + 34% "reciprocal" surcharge) already disrupt supply chains, but further hikes yield diminishing returns.
Decoupling Momentum: China’s industrial restructuring (e.g., semiconductor self-sufficiency at 70% by 2025) reduces dependency on U.S. markets.
Global Realignment: With RCEP partners absorbing 38% of China’s exports (vs. 11% to U.S.), Beijing prioritizes stabilizing alternative trade flows over reactive tariff battles.
As State Councilor Wang Yi cautioned:

"A zero-sum mindset poisons cooperation. China’s door remains open, but we won’t dance to reckless tunes."
 
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