Trump 2.0 official thread

[Captainquirk]

First of all Japan lost a war, unfair deals are kind of par for the course, so this is irrelevant to the discussion


At this point in time, they were still viewing the US as an ally, and an important distinction here is that the US was a reliable ally. The reliable part is now basically gone


Again, reiterating, at that point in time a reliable ally. Plus, share secrets of the present pretty much means nothing for an industry like semiconductors, by the time those trade secrets can be implemented, thing would have moved on.


Sure, they probably would be making deals but so what? Not like the deals will mean anything, since the US has shown it will just rip that up like nothing. Whatever deals that will be cut the US will probably have to breed some.


I like how you think but the important part here is threats, the views on the US have been deteriorating for some time and pulling this sh*t, things are not going to be back status quo. The US had the most important weapon over China, which was trust, the ROW didn’t trust China and they at least trusted the US but now that it’s gone, I think you will find out that just because they are there to negotiate, the negotiation will not be anything like before.

That’s true. Is the damage beyond repair? Will Canada, EU etc… give up on America and sign free trade agreements with China instead?

They haven’t. They called and said would like to negotiate. To not be tariffed, they going to give up on somethings right.

Have the biggest economy..biggest army and friends come to you.

 

[ansy1968]

Maybe this time it would be good for China instead of tariffs, raise the VAT rate for American MNC +21% or make a new tax for American products inside China.

What about taking a que from Trump, Now is the time for China to officially revealed the domestic DUVL and EUVL and see the American stock exchange tank again....lol It's one of the last 2 remaining advantage the US hold (another one is aircraft engine) and may not last long when the CJ1000 enter IOC in a year or two or maybe hasten its employment as a way of retaliation against GE.

 

[Captainquirk]

I think the point was to tariff China, and also to put tariffs in place for everyone else. With the pause, everyone will sigh in relief and resume trade but now regardless of where anything comes from, the US gov will be making money from it.

Exactly

 

[Maikeru]

So Chinese goods can continue to be exported to the US via 3rd countries for another 90 days.

 

[manqiangrexue]

That’s true. Is the damage beyond repair? Will Canada, EU etc… give up on America

Go look at the stores in Canada and find out. Maybe they'll forgive you come the next president... but Trump saying he wants to end term limits doesn't inspire any confidence in them, does it?

and sign free trade agreements with China instead?

Blowing past the US economically without them; that's a pretty high bar you've set for what needs to happen to constitute failure.

They haven’t. They called and said would like to negotiate.

Yay! You win!

The definition of victory was first to beat China in a trade war.

Then it became to bully all the other smaller weaker nations into signing their versions of the Plaza Acords.

Now it's just that you got these smaller nations to talk.

If they told you to go F yourself, your definition of winning would be the US not begging all these countries to forget what was said.

Have the biggest economy.

That's China. PPP>nominal.

.biggest army

Also China; check the personel numbers.

and friends come to you.

You think you still have friends after threatening them and calling them ass kissers? LOL You have slaves at best, slaves that would revolt when they see the power shift. They look to China now, more than ever after Trump just told them that they're all off the hook because China had the spine to stand and fight.

By the way, I see you like responding to everyone but me. Yeah... you've definitely been here before LOL

 

[iewgnem]

75 countries have called. Want to negotiate. Have not retaliated.

At a minimum they going to drop some if not all of the tariffs against US products.

So with some simple threats, America gave up nothing, likely getting some tariff relief, and got half of the world to the negotiating table.

So yea. Pause the tariffs.

Oh remember I said how they going to “work” on China as a group.

Do you think they still care about negotiating after you just folded without any deal because of China, lol

You do realize China just defended the world and now everyone know you cant handle it

Not to mention the China tariff alone is enough to wreck the US economy...

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

America is a terminally ill patient connected to the oxygen tank that is China. So long as the oxygen line stays connected, America can tell itself all kinds of stories about how strong it is and how everyone needs it.

One of the stories it told itself is that it doesn't need the oxygen tank, that it can breathe for itself. In a fit of pique, it ripped out the cannula from its nose. The consequences of that are obvious.

The tank has a slight overpressure problem since its been disconnected (Chinese exports to the US are 2.8% of GDP, and even that is exaggerated since a lot of it is companies like Apple importing components from Japan, Taiwan, and Korea to be assembled in China, with the entire value of the iPhone attributed to China), but there's any number of ways to vent it. There are other lines to route it to (other export markets), and the tank is sturdy enough that the overpressure is well within safety parameters (increased domestic consumption).

The tank will just sit there placidly watching the patient it was connected to choke to death or desperately try to reattach the cannula.

 

[Biscuits]

I think the point was to tariff China, and also to put tariffs in place for everyone else. With the pause, everyone will sigh in relief and resume trade but now regardless of where anything comes from, the US gov will be making money from it.

Quite ingenious but the likelihood of long term investments from some places is basically done. There is no way to invest multi billion on something so inherently unstable.

They're retarded if they don't anticipate that China will wreck them hard over this.

So far China matched exactly what US did + sneaked on more add on sanctions. I'm predicting China's next move is collective punishment for anyone that negotiated with US unless they change course + more blacklists. US wanted to tease 30% tariffs on the whole world, well guess what, China will force 30% global tariff on US into reality.

Trump is about to learn he was very stupid for escalating a fight with the largest economy in the world. But this is a man that ran casinos into the ground in the past, he is impervious to learning or improving.

 

[SinoAmericanCW]

They're retarded if they don't anticipate that China will wreck them hard over this.

So far China matched exactly what US did + sneaked on more add on sanctions. I'm predicting China's next move is collective punishment for anyone that negotiated with US unless they change course + more blacklists. US wanted to tease 30% tariffs on the whole world, well guess what, China will force 30% global tariff on US into reality.

Trump is about to learn he was very stupid for escalating a fight with the largest economy in the world. But this is a man that ran casinos into the ground in the past, he is impervious to learning or improving.

Frankly, I'm getting quite pessimistic.

The U.S. has been trying to contain China economically for a while now, but with this they're outright attempting to gut China's economy and immiserate its people. I'm not saying they'll succeed - China is strong and has many options to adjust, foremost among them boosting internal consumption. But the U.S. has thrown the gauntlet and indicated that for the sake of its hegemonic position it's effectively willing to harm itself if it thinks it can harm China more.

I feel the sort of spiral we're entering usually ends in war - and I mean 'war' war, not trade war.

 

[phrozenflame]

The current international rule book is totally out of the window. US will do whatever it can and get away with to contain China. Its no holds barred. There are no rules. They wont play with the rules anymore, China already beat them in that game. Now its going to be a different game. Fkd up times ahead sadly.

China is still trying to play a clean game, but its going to be all muddy and dirty tbh.

They will extract all the tithe they can from already strained allies. But its not a healthy sign.

Fundamental issue remains: US is simply not making goods that the world would want. Besides Tech/services/Space ferrying, there isnt much clicking at global scale.

On tech, on hardware side, the clock is ticking already.

On software/web services side, tbh, China hasnt really started pushing their services in attempt to globalize it despite having superior products locally. Guess theyll eventually get to that.

On spaceX front, personally I have little clue what China is cooking to catch up. Would be glad to get an overview tbh. What i know tho, at this point in time today, SpaceX is by far the clear leader. How that is shaping up in 5-10 year window, i personally have no clue, but would love to be informed more.