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Reuters article on how an oil blockade could impact China

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In summary, Venezuelan oil is 4% of China's total oil imports despite China being the main destination of 80-90% of Venezuela's oil exports. There is ample supply from Russia, Iran, and other parts of the Middle East to make up for the deficit, as well as from Canada and Colombia. The type of crude oil that Venezuela exports is also primarily used to produce bitumen which is used in road construction, and there is weak demand for that right now in China.
The US probably thinks this will give them some leverage over China. Instead, China should use this to bait the US into a war with and occupation of Venezuela.
 

iewgnem

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Reuters article on how an oil blockade could impact China

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In summary, Venezuelan oil is 4% of China's total oil imports despite China being the main destination of 80-90% of Venezuela's oil exports. There is ample supply from Russia, Iran, and other parts of the Middle East to make up for the deficit, as well as from Canada and Colombia. The type of crude oil that Venezuela exports is also primarily used to produce bitumen which is used in road construction, and there is weak demand for that right now in China.
It would be funny to see if Trump has the balls to attack a Chinese tanker and deal with the resulting Chinese embargo on US bound cargo ships out of, say, Japan.
 

plawolf

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I dont think this declaring as WMD bit is just about healthcare stuff,, its also gives them excuse/cause to declare 'weapons of mass destruction that get shipped to usa are coming from [Insert country name here]' Prob Venezuela or China,
Its a procedure loophole.

Does this mean the PLA gets to hunt for WMD all over CONUS?
 

iBBz

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The US probably thinks this will give them some leverage over China. Instead, China should use this to bait the US into a war with and occupation of Venezuela.
This will definitely give the US more leverage over China even if they only account for 4% of China's energy imports. They are also sneaking a drone here and there into Russian refineries chipping away at China's energy sources diversity, blowing up a rail section here and there in Myanmar. Little things eventually compound into something considerable. Other exporters can also use this as leverage against China. And it's not like energy is the only problem here. If they take control of the state, they can cancel all business with China and divert it toward the US or just halt it much like in other countries they occupy. They can also turn it into a poverty ridden terrorist hub designed to attack other Chinese business in neighbouring countries etc.. When it comes to the US and its nihilism, the sky's the limit.

I'm not sure what you mean by bait them, China's will do absolutely nothing beyond the usual condemnation statements.

The US seems to see Venezuela as Russia and China's outpost in the Americas. Given the refocus on Monroe Doctrine, it makes sense they would view it that way. Instead, it would be a great outcome for China if this became America's next Afghanistan/Iraq.
This is nothing like Afghanistan. Venezuela is neither as far as Afghanistan, nor is it landlocked or shares a border with serious adversaries. Simply bombing their infrastructure, ports, and imposing a naval blockade, then waiting them out would likely do the job, and would probably drop Cuba as well. Both are already on the brink of collapse. Unless the US is a static object that doesn't absorb lessons, we can safely assume they learned some valuable imperialist lessons from Afghanistan that they won't repeat in Venezuela.
 

iewgnem

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This will definitely give the US more leverage over China even if they only account for 4% of China's energy imports. They are also sneaking a drone here and there into Russian refineries chipping away at China's energy sources diversity, blowing up a rail section here and there in Myanmar. Little things eventually compound into something considerable. Other exporters can also use this as leverage against China. And it's not like energy is the only problem here. If they take control of the state, they can cancel all business with China and divert it toward the US or just halt it much like in other countries they occupy. They can also turn it into a poverty ridden terrorist hub designed to attack other Chinese business in neighbouring countries etc.. When it comes to the US and its nihilism, the sky's the limit.

I'm not sure what you mean by bait them, China's will do absolutely nothing beyond the usual condemnation statements.


This is nothing like Afghanistan. Venezuela is neither as far as Afghanistan, nor is it landlocked or shares a border with serious adversaries. Simply bombing their infrastructure, ports, and imposing a naval blockade, then waiting them out would likely do the job, and would probably drop Cuba as well. Both are already on the brink of collapse. Unless the US is a static object that doesn't absorb lessons, we can safely assume they learned some valuable imperialist lessons from Afghanistan that they won't repeat in Venezuela.
Lessons like pretending to be the good guys was a mistake, they should just make sure the entire world including most of their own people hates them first?

China has just demonstrated a large number of things it can do if US does anything that actually harms China's interest, or have you not been paying attention?
 

MortyandRick

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This will definitely give the US more leverage over China even if they only account for 4% of China's energy imports. They are also sneaking a drone here and there into Russian refineries chipping away at China's energy sources diversity, blowing up a rail section here and there in Myanmar. Little things eventually compound into something considerable. Other exporters can also use this as leverage against China. And it's not like energy is the only problem here. If they take control of the state, they can cancel all business with China and divert it toward the US or just halt it much like in other countries they occupy. They can also turn it into a poverty ridden terrorist hub designed to attack other Chinese business in neighbouring countries etc.. When it comes to the US and its nihilism, the sky's the limit.

I'm not sure what you mean by bait them, China's will do absolutely nothing beyond the usual condemnation statements.


This is nothing like Afghanistan. Venezuela is neither as far as Afghanistan, nor is it landlocked or shares a border with serious adversaries. Simply bombing their infrastructure, ports, and imposing a naval blockade, then waiting them out would likely do the job, and would probably drop Cuba as well. Both are already on the brink of collapse. Unless the US is a static object that doesn't absorb lessons, we can safely assume they learned some valuable imperialist lessons from Afghanistan that they won't repeat in Venezuela.
So in your opinion. What do you suggest China do in this regard?

For to Venezuela with weapons?

Or snuggles weapons from neighboring countries? ( Which I honestly think they should do tbh)
 

Overbom

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Too bad Maduro doesn't have drones that can attack the US ships, at least make the Americans work for it. Too bad China can't give Maduro drones or even better, arm the local groups to attack the US with long range drones like Yemen. Or just blow up a US shop or two and increase costs on the US.

Sadly no other country is calling for US resolution or sanctions on the US. So there is no cost for them to just wait it out, at least for now.
Maduro has been president of Venezuela for over 10 years already

That he hasn't utilized all that oil money to buy significant military hardware from China, it's a testament to his idiocy and incompetency. America attacking Venezuela now, while not justified, for sure follows the law of the jungle.

If you think yourself tough, talk tough, but on actions you are like a worm, don't be surprised when the hammer eventually falls down upon you


So in your opinion. What do you suggest China do in this regard?

For to Venezuela with weapons?

Or snuggles weapons from neighboring countries? ( Which I honestly think they should do tbh)
That's the issue with all these tinpot dictators. They play tough to get all the time, and when sht hits the fan and they realize they are like naked emperors, they suddenly remember that China exists and turn to it for help

Like dude, now is too late. China won't be able to properly arm and train your military in a single month..

First it was Russia, then Iran, now Venezuela. One idiot after each other
 
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