The War in the Ukraine

Zichan

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They got shot down flying low by MANPADS. Jamming pods doesn't protect that being IR based.

If the jamming pod is the problem, you fly the plane in singles and you fix that by adding the friendly signal to the database. The story raises a red flag because if you have such a problem, the jamming pod would already attempt to jam the plane's own radar, and the whole system would never have passed certification to begin with.
Micheal Koffman spoke of Russian “EW fratricide” incidents before, so that falls into the trend.

Perhaps the ECM pods need to be programmed to reject specific radar emission patterns and in that particular instance they failed to do that for the wingman ships. Obviously, no two radars will have the exact same radiation signature.

On a unit level Russian hardware performs relatively well but due to various reasons they struggle operationally.
 
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Tam

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Micheal Koffman spoke of Russian “EW fratricide” incidents before, so that falls into the trend.

Perhaps the ECM pods need to be programmed to reject specific radar emission patterns and in that particular instance they failed to do that for the wingman ships. Obviously, no two radars will have the exact same radiation signature.

On a unit level Russian hardware performs relatively well but due to various reasons they struggle operationally.

Yes. Every possible friendly emission should be within the database. However there is a big catch here because the Ukrainian equipment are Soviet, and so they have generally the same stuff the Russians have. So it's likely the friendly is turned off since you're going to be jamming Su-27s, Buks and S-300s. Russian vs Ukrainian equipment is fratricide in essense.

The war has many reported friendly on friendly on both sides, e.g. Ukr Su-24 taken out by Ukr MANPADs; Russian units firing at each other at Mariupol. It is not to be unexpected when both sides are too similar to each other. That's why you have letters on Russian tanks, crosses on Ukr tanks, yellow or blue strips now on Ukr soldiers. This is in effect, a civil war.

Going back to the drone jamming issue, that's a problem when both sides are using Mavics and AliExpress drones. Won't get solved until the Russians make quadcopter of their own with unique frequency band for communication.
 

baykalov

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Tam

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Latest entry at @milchronicles details a new failed Ukrainian counterattack at Pavlovka.

The failure of the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Pavlovka: the 114th battalion was surrounded and almost completely destroyed

on November 26 and 27, the Ukrainian forces twice tried to launch a counterattack on Pavlovka.

According to the Military Chronicle, in order to break through to Pavlovka, the Armed Forces of Ukraine involved operational reserves - units of the 56th motorized infantry and 68th jaeger brigades. However, during the first attack attempt, these formations were discovered by Orlan-10 drones and, having lost about 200 people killed by artillery fire, retreated to their original positions.

Before the second attack, on November 27, parts of the 56th and 68th brigades were reinforced by the 110th territorial defense brigade.

The key task of the formation was to exit Velikaya Novoselovka along the highway on the Zolotaya Niva - Prechistovka section to open the positions of the RF Armed Forces and subsequent fire control of Pavlovka. However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not reach the positions and gain a foothold. In the Prechistovka area (12 km west of Pavlovka), a column of MLS Shield armored vehicles and T-64B tanks was "met" by T-80BVM tanks.

The largest losses were suffered by the 114th separate territorial defense battalion, which is part of the 110th brigade. After the start of the battle, the battalion was abandoned in the suburbs of Prechistovka, was surrounded and was almost completely destroyed. The unit lost 80% of its personnel. At the same time, the other two battalions of the brigade retreated and did not participate in the clash.
 

drowingfish

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"Putin has driven Ukraine into a trap," says former commander of NATO forces in Europe, General Wesley Clark.

US General Wesley Clark believes that the actions of the Russian military will force Ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table, and the Bakhmut direction will become a bag for grinding the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


interesting that there is a sudden surge or rhetoric of difficult situation around bakhmut. i wonder if this is a prelude to withdrawal from the region, wouldnt be a bad move by the ukrainians, that line has held longer than many had expected and the russians are using it as a meat grinder.
 

drowingfish

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It seems China is finally coming onboard with giving a Russia a helping hand. Huawei and DJI banned sales to Russia for fear of American sanctions and for what? They got sanctioned in recent days anyway. Appeasing the Americans will never get rewarded. And Chinese have learned this. Only Russia is a friend of China. America is not.
where do you see this and what help is offered?
 

Tam

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For example, transfer of technology to keep Russian standard of living after Western companies left Russia.

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They should super mass produce UAZ Patriots instead, with de-electrified interiors, like analog gauges and no digital infotainments.

I tend to think of it as the Russian analog to the Mitsubishi Pajero or Montero.


UAZ vehicles are heavily used in Ukraine, including the Ukraine border and national police. However that means many would have been destroyed in the war.
 

Tam

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Ukrainian tank column advancing, but hit by guided artillery or ATGM or did they run in mines? This looks to me shot from a high terrain position instead of a drone.



Not every civilian is going to drive a redneck pickup. In this regard, China does a good job giving Russia a helping hand with mainstream civilian cars.

I could argue that if a nation is mobilized for war in its home territory, a redneck ute is going to be more useful than a soccer mom crossover.
 

sheogorath

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interesting that there is a sudden surge or rhetoric of difficult situation around bakhmut. i wonder if this is a prelude to withdrawal from the region, wouldnt be a bad move by the ukrainians, that line has held longer than many had expected and the russians are using it as a meat grinder.

Wouldn't read to much into it. This has become some sort of a cycle.

Russians grind down the Ukranians somewhere along the front, media is alll "woe is me, we need to help to Ukranians even more, they are getting massacred and can't win" then the Ukranians manage to achieve a gain somewhere and suddenly they are going to march all the way to Moscow, Russians fight like an African militia and we get bombarded with propaganda about it.

Then the Ukranians stall, get grinded down and the cycle starts again.
 
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