The War in the Ukraine

ZeEa5KPul said:

Just as a point of medical curiosity, if they're lucky enough to survive this war, will their hearing return in time or is it just gone?

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Really depends on how close the bangs were to them and now persistently the bangs went on for, but generally hearing loss from excessive decibels is permanent and irreversible. Take good care of your ears you all, hearing loss is no joke and no fun!

- Western media admits heavy losses by Ukraine around eastern city of Bakhmut;
- Pentagon worries Ukraine is expending more artillery rounds than can be supplied by the West;
- West appears “baffled” over Russia fighting a battle absorbing huge amounts of Ukrainian soldiers’ lives, equipment, and ammunition, despite Moscow declaring “demilitarization” as the first objective of the current special military operation;
- US defense contract Boeing proposes sending 150km long-range rockets for Ukraine’s remaining HIMARS and M270s, but admits production numbers will be small;

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NY Times - In Ukraine, Bakhmut Becomes a Bloody Vortex for 2 Militaries:

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WASHINGTON, Nov 28 (Reuters) - The Pentagon is considering a Boeing proposal to supply Ukraine with cheap, small precision bombs fitted onto abundantly available rockets, allowing Kyiv to strike far behind Russian lines as the West struggles to meet demand for more arms.

U.S. and allied military inventories are shrinking, and Ukraine faces an increasing need for more sophisticated weapons as the war drags on. Boeing's proposed system, dubbed Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB), is one of about a half-dozen plans for getting new munitions into production for Ukraine and America's Eastern European allies, industry sources said.

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sheogorath said:

T-64BM

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That is a T-64B1M actually.

plawolf said:

Yes, I am aware of the basic principles of EW, and the Russians have been deploying a lot of tactical jammers and EW systems, some of which were even captured by the Ukrainians.

The point is you don’t need military grade jammers to effectively and efficiently deal with commercial grade drones.

The overriding imperative for jammers to counter civilian drones is numbers. It’s no good having a all bells and whistles jammer for only 1 out of 100 of your positions. You need a lot of these jammers and they need to be cheap and essentially expendable so you don’t need to be precious about where you deploy them or need to worry about them falling into enemy hands. With those features, you can easily deploy such jammers on such a scale it moves from point defence to area defence. So instead of pockets of jamming out in the middle of nowhere to aim your artillery at, it’s the entire front that’s blocked off to commercial
Drones. You can shoot at all the individual jammers all you want, but the enemy will not care when each of their jammers cost less than one of your artillery shells.

You are also falling for the most ridiculous western MIC hype if you think HARMs can magically detect and engage any jammer, especially ones operating on civilian Wi-Fi bands. If HARMs or HARM like missiles can work like you think, no one would be using DJIs in Ukraine because they will all get hit with blindfired HARMs tracing their drone feeds back to the operators. You would also see internet traffic drop to nothing as rogue HARMs would have taken out all the Wi-Fi and cellular masts, not to mention a lot of civilians on their cellphones or computers.

The fact that civilian drones operate on civilian bands is both their biggest strength and weakness. You cannot easily distinguish drone signals from normal background civilian comms traffic, and developing missiles or drones to home on civilian Wi-Fi and cellular signals is so obvious a bad idea i shouldn’t need it spell out why. But jamming commercial drones is also far easier than military signals because commercial drones don’t have anti-jamming features beyond basic anti-interference. Jammers targeted at commercial drones will also be operating on commercial frequencies, make it just as difficult for opfor to distinguish your jammers from regular civilian comms infrastructure.

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That's not how a HARM works. Any ARM also needs to be supported by an ESM that will capture, ID, then upload the sample waveform for the HARM to recognize the offending waveform.

Wifi alone is pretty agile. That's how an environment full of wifi routers don't jam each other. They will change frequency and waveform to ensure one channel doesn't collide with another.

A HARM isn't going to bother with a Mavic. But it can potentially bother a higher end drone or UAV by targeting it's base station.

The Russians or anyone else, don't use static jammers. The jammers they use look like guns that are physically aimed at a drone and sends a thin beam at it. There is no indication they use a bunch of small static jammers to saturate an entire front. As far as this goes they already have a working solution.

D20 gets hit by a Lancet. The cannon doesn't look completely destroyed, the D20 is a brutal solid piece of Soviet Union steel. Note that fragments of expended drones are easily found at attacked sites and used to 'claim' kills against drones.


Panic happens when your pickup gets stuck at the mud. Here's another issue with technicals.


The DPR takes out a Ukrainian observation post that has been correcting for artillery and has been a thorn.

Tam said:

Jammers are supposed to work with your own ESM systems. They are not set on 24/7 daily to create a static bubble. Instead the ESM picks up the enemy signal, then processes it for two results. The jammer stays quiet and invisible until it is called into action.

The first is to identify the signal, to determine friend or foe, then what classification of signal is it. Is it a radar? What type of radar will it be? Is it communication? What type of communication will it be?

The second is that the ESM then determines the location of the signal. There are a few means how this is determined but we won't go through these techniques (AoA, ToA and FoA).

Both data is sent to the jammer, with the signal waveform being replicated by the jammer. Then via a phase array, a beam is formed towards the offending source with a duplicate of the signal that has been either manipulated to give errors, or rotated to cancel it out. Incidentally this is also how shipborne EW systems work.

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That's how it would work in the ideal world. Whereas, in the real world according to RUSI, we have a radio comm intercept of a pair of Russian Su-34 fighter bombers complaining that their radars are "messed up". When the ground control was asked to investigate they determined that their jamming pods locked-on on each other's radars and rendered them useless. The "solution" was to disable the jamming pods and the Su-34 went on the bombing mission without ECM. Might even explain why so many got shot down.

kokole said:

- Western media admits heavy losses by Ukraine around eastern city of Bakhmut;

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1597284731241914369

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Explains why some our most vocal friends seem largely missing, again...

I bumped into this and I was curious about it but couldn't find the video.

Strangely the video for that one is missing in the C-Span site but the transcript is in NATO's own website

Britain handed over to Ukraine a batch of high-precision Brimstone-2 missiles, the footage of the loading of missiles was published by the Ministry of Defense of the Kingdom. We have already talked about the Brimstone rocket received by Russia earlier. Brimstone 2 is a modified and improved version of the original Brimstone rocket. When launched from the air, the missile has a range of up to 60 kilometers, when launched from the ground, the flight range is 12 kilometers. The missile's improved homing head, modular design and updated software improve its accuracy. When tested from the Tornado fighter, the missile hit the target 91% of the time. The approximate cost of the Brimstone rocket is $150,000.


The Belarusian army landed a Polish UAV 12 km from the border with Poland. This was reported by the Belarusian media. The drone was reportedly equipped with a thermal imager, a high-definition camera, and high-capacity batteries. The incident occurred during a visit by Polish President Andrzej Duda to the field camp of the 11th Masurian Artillery Regiment near the village of Nowa Luka in the Podlaskie Voivodeship. The drone filmed important infrastructure facilities of the republic, including military installations.


The Ukrainian army received American 105-mm M101 howitzers developed during the Second World War from Lithuania, video footage of their use is shown. Earlier, Lithuania received these howitzers from Denmark, the guns were repainted and transferred to Ukraine. The Howitzer M101 howitzer has been mass-produced since 1941 and turned out to be successful. The howitzer is still in service with the armies of many countries of the world. In some countries, howitzers were improved and produced under a different index. Howitzer crew 8 people, firing range - 11 thousand meters, rate of fire - 4-5 rounds per minute, weight - 2260 kg. The price of the howitzer is 57 thousand dollars.


The crew of the Russian MiG-31 aircraft spoke about combat missions in the areas of combat contact in Ukraine


The Ministry of Defense of Luxembourg stated that as part of the regular military assistance, 6 Primoco One 150 UAVs were transferred to the Ukrainian army. The UAVs were created by the Czech company Primoco UAV. The drone can automatically take off, land and follow the route. The One 150 UAV has a maximum takeoff weight of 150 kg, a flight time of up to 15 hours and is controlled at a distance of up to 200 km from a ground station. Having programmed the UAV to move along the route, the flight range reaches 2000 km. With a payload, and it is 30 kg, it is obvious that the UAV can be used as a kamikaze drone, programmed to fly along the route. The drone is equipped with infrared cameras and has a 50 hp single piston engine. Drone flight speed up to 150 km/h, time spent in the air up to 15 hours. UAV flight height up to 3300 meters. Wingspan: 4.9 m.

First photo confirming that the FH-70 155mm howitzers together with their towing trucks we are seeing bellow are coming directly from the Esercito Italiano ( Italian Army ) stocks as Italian aide to the Ukrainian Army.

Zichan said:

That's how it would work in the ideal world. Whereas, in the real world according to RUSI, we have a radio comm intercept of a pair of Russian Su-34 fighter bombers complaining that their radars are "messed up". When the ground control was asked to investigate they determined that their jamming pods locked-on on each other's radars and rendered them useless. The "solution" was to disable the jamming pods and the Su-34 went on the bombing mission without ECM. Might even explain why so many got shot down.

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They got shot down flying low by MANPADS. Jamming pods doesn't protect that being IR based.

If the jamming pod is the problem, you fly the plane in singles and you fix that by adding the friendly signal to the database. The story raises a red flag because if you have such a problem, the jamming pod would already attempt to jam the plane's own radar, and the whole system would never have passed certification to begin with.