The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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Ukraine's drone finds cemetery of tanks inside Russian border​

This isn't the first such site to have been located.
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In September this year, a Ukrainian reconnaissance drone flew into Russian territory and captured footage of hundreds of damaged battle tanks, howitzers, and infantry fighting vehicles damaged in the conflict that began earlier this year.

Ukrainian military website has shared the footage captured by the drone on social media sites.
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Unmasking Russia’s influential pro-war ‘Rybar’ Telegram channel​


The war in Ukraine has created an influential new Russian media space with an audience of tens of millions — channels on messaging app Telegram that specialize in war reporting and analysis. One of the most significant among them is the anonymous channel
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with 1.1 million followers. Rybar publishes detailed reports and accurate maps of the front lines that are heavily used by Western
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. The Bell conducted an investigation (
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) to find out who runs this key outlet.
They where way bigger in Ukraine before the war, that article is in 2014, soviet equipments are stocked everywhere in large number:

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The footage look like a salvage and repair yard most likely, they have good place to move between vehicule and some have tarp on them. The cemetary is in the fiels of Ukraine...they will not bring back useless junk.
 

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They where way bigger in Ukraine before the war, that article is in 2014, soviet equipments are stocked everywhere in large number:

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The footage look like a salvage and repair yard most likely, they have good place to move between vehicule and some have tarp on them. The cemetary is in the fiels of Ukraine...they will not bring back useless junk.
If you don't believe it's in Russia, there are other cemeteries in Russia discovered by Ukraine.
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Holovchyne Village (Belgorod)

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Dzhankoi(Crimea)

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If you don't believe it's in Russia, there are other cemeteries in Russia discovered by Ukraine.
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Holovchyne Village (Belgorod)

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Dzhankoi(Crimea)

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Never said it was not in Russia, just said it was a repair and salvage yard, they will not assemble a cemetery of unrecuperable vehicules during the war that far from the frontline.... so a lot of these will be repaired and will come back to the front.

The one they spotted is active and used. We see these kind of broken equipments salvage yards arround any war... and you don't find them on the losing side because they don't have the luxury to be able to do so.

A lot of Soviet rusting stockpiles exist all over Russia... a lot existed in Ukraine too. So finding some active ones are a thing, finding old one look the same from afar.
 
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Ukraine's drone finds cemetery of tanks inside Russian border​


Never said it was not in Russia, just said it was a repair and salvage yard, they will not assemble a cemetery of unrecuperable vehicules during the war that far from the frontline.... so a lot of these will be repaired and will come back to the front.

Funnily enough, more recent pictures shows it has been mostly emptied, so it likely means it was indeed a depot for vehicles waiting for repairs but that doesn't help the narrative regarding the equipment they are trying to push. Kind of impressive they managed to mostly empty the lot in just 2 months

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Gonna take a guess the one in Crimea is the depot they tried to pass as captured equipment in Kharkov a few months ago
 

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Never said it was not in Russia, just said it was a repair and salvage yard, they will not assemble a cemetery of unrecuperable vehicules during the war that far from the frontline.... so a lot of these will be repaired and will come back to the front.

The one they spotted is active and used. We see these kind of broken equipments salvage yards arround any war... and you don't find them on the losing side because they don't have the luxury to be able to do so.

A lot of Soviet rusting stockpiles exist all over Russia... a lot existed in Ukraine too. So finding some active ones are a thing, finding old one look the same from afar.
It is 7 km from the Kharkiv border. Just look at the Maps link I posted.
Funnily enough, more recent pictures shows it has been mostly emptied, so it likely means it was indeed a depot for vehicles waiting for repairs but that doesn't help the narrative regarding the equipment they are trying to push. Kind of impressive they managed to mostly empty the lot in just 2 months
Yes. It is described in the article.
 

Tam

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Irony. Drone assisted artillery takes out a Ukrainian pickup ferrying drones. Lots of Mavics there I presume. Just watch only the first part of the video and don't bother with the rest.

 

Tam

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Civilian quads are making a disproportionate impact on this war because neither side has the means to effectively counter them while also being able to use them en mass.

But the tech to counter these drones are already available off the shelf, and I expect far more effective counters will be easily developed. The most simple and cost effective would be area wide Wi-Fi jamming. Downside would be high power consumption, and also makes your own commercial drones useless.

A more advanced hard counter could be a home-on-Wi-Fi suicide drone of your own, similar to anti-radiation missiles used against radar. Could have a few of these effectively on patrol over your positions indefinitely with rota. If they take off in a hurry, might also be a idea to seek cover. Early warning and counter drone in one affordable little package.

As soon as something like this enters the market, the days of using commercial drones in combat is over. Because commercial drones will never be developed to counter this sort of specific military application, it won’t be an arms race, it will just be a slaughter of the side stupid and desperate enough to still be using commercial drones even for passive activities like recon.

The problem of wide area jamming is that the enemy ESM will pick up your signals and locate you, inviting a flurry of artillery.
 

Tam

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interesting first footage of Zoopark 1M counter battery radar


Russia makes a military grade quadcopter. It's fairly big and should be able to carry a laser rangefinder / marker like DJI M30 does.


Some of the Russian blogs I read are saying there are now specialty training courses for Drone Troopers. Drone troopers as I like to call them are fast becoming among the most important troops.
 

reservior dogs

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The problem of wide area jamming is that the enemy ESM will pick up your signals and locate you, inviting a flurry of artillery.
Any suicide drone to kill other drones will need sensors and computing power that make it much more expensive than the ones it is trying to kill. How about a drone with fast speed, sensor suite and computing power. It can carry a dozen or more small self guided missiles that will have a small warhead and attach itself on to the enemy drone and explode after some delay. It is the job of the killer drone to fly very close to the enemy drone, release one of these bombs, then fly off to the next target. The bomb latch on to the enemy drone, waits a short time until the killer drone flies off, then explodes.
 

Atomicfrog

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Any suicide drone to kill other drones will need sensors and computing power that make it much more expensive than the ones it is trying to kill. How about a drone with fast speed, sensor suite and computing power. It can carry a dozen or more small self guided missiles that will have a small warhead and attach itself on to the enemy drone and explode after some delay. It is the job of the killer drone to fly very close to the enemy drone, release one of these bombs, then fly off to the next target. The bomb latch on to the enemy drone, waits a short time until the killer drone flies off, then explodes.
A drone that drag around a bunch of loose thin ropes or launch them could easily disable another quad but finding the opponent is very hard, so it will need sensor to be reliable and it become quite costly and big.

Trying to find another drone with onboard camera of another rc planes or drone is clearly unreliable. With racing drones you can even collide head-on without even knowing what happened.
 
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