The War in the Ukraine

Stealthflanker

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Still doubt if Armata will be send. Like it's not just tank it's a system. There is T-14, T-15 and T-16. These three must work and develop chemistry as well as stamping out bugs, they're also completely new to the Russians. They never have tank with remote controlled main gun turret and heavy IFV's in same class as Namer.
 

Tam

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This could be a KM-8 Gran that's being used. Its not as well known as the Krasnopol and may often be misidentified as the latter, as the Gran is just another semi-active laser guided shell but one that's fired from a mortar. I suspect that many of the videos we have seen involving Russian mortars could be using Grans.



Krasnopol taking out a GAZ-66.

 

Anlsvrthng

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No surprises here.. Military hardware comes 4-5 generations behind because reliability and durability is paramount. It is same for western and Chinese equipment. This why sanctions to countries like China and Russia to prevent military development is a joke.
It is more related to the cost of certification.

Example the Heavy Duty Trucks has a million km durability requirement, means the engine control units has to last for that ammount of time.

If a new CPU implemented then the ECU has to be re-validated, and that means it has to spend few years on dozens of engines,burning 300 000 $ on each engine.

So, to replace the 2008 CPU in the design the company has to spend 10-20 million $, so the only reason to do that investment is if there is a huge benefit in that range OR there is a regulatory requirements.

Regards of missiles the same problem persist.

Validation cycle is very long, so any new design will serve for long time.

We haven't seen too many Russian CPU in the missiles, most likelly because they don't want to advertise the capabilities of the Russians.

But due to the above, the control computers designed in tha past decade most likelly has Russian components. Doesn't make sense to validate them with USA components.

And we know that the Russians replaced the computer in the Soyuz capsules in 2010, that should be the same control module like in the ICBMs.

Most likelly there are computers for missile classes, so we can assume that in the past ten years there is active program to replace the control modules in each missile.
 

sheogorath

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Also, does it really make sense to use the latest and greatest, chip wise, for something that will embedded in the side of a building?

The EW variant of the Orlan 10 is called Moskit


The Estonian Defense Minister doesn't seem to think Russia is that weakened by the war and is pretty sure they can restore the Army's strenght to pre-war levels sooner than many people might think along with the lessons learnt from the war.

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Also a lot of photos coming out of Artemivsk, seems thing weren't pretty for the Ukranians these past few days. Apparently Prigozhin said the point of Bakhmut isn't to capture the town completely but to grind the Ukranians down and inflict as many losses as possible

Location and length of Wagner's defensive line relative to the frontlines in the area


Austrian Colonel Markus Reisner says the Russians have actually kept the momentum of the attacks while the Ukranians are running out of ammo

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And a Ukranian soldier training in the UK was spotted with the Dirlewanger Brigade patch, so its not just "ironic use to trigger the Russians" unless they expect to encounter Russians in the UK's training grounds.
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Tam

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Been hearing about a massive surge of casualties in Bakhmut from different sources.

@milchronicles has a blog entry about it.

Losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Bakhmut increased tenfold: what is the reason

The daily losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Bakhmut increased tenfold over the week: instead of ten killed and wounded, the number of “two hundredths” and “three hundredths” reaches 100 or more.

According to the Military Chronicle, since November 20, due to bad weather and problems with medical evacuation, the brigade artillery group and two mechanized battalions of the 30th OMBR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, defending positions near Kleshcheevka (9.5 km south of Bakhmut), suffered the largest losses, as well as a special-purpose company of the OUN - Immitis of the 71st "jaeger" brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which the PMC Wagner knocks out from the northern outskirts of the city.

The total losses of personnel in these units are approaching 500. From the radio interception of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it became known that the "musicians" maintain the pace of the offensive and continue to destroy units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, despite the mudslide and bad weather.

The high losses of heavy armored vehicles in Bakhmut are forcing the Armed Forces to use medical vehicles as improvised armored personnel carriers, vehicles for transporting ammunition and assault equipment. Conventional ambulances cannot reach the wounded, and their use in an active war zone is fraught with great risks.

Medical armored personnel carriers MT-LB S and British armored vehicles AT105 Saxon are used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to transport mortars and shells, which is why the problem with the removal of the wounded has become critical. The lack of quick help has already led to multiple purulent-septic pathologies. Soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, without waiting for the evacuation, die from pain shock and sepsis right in the trenches.

Wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to wait hours for evacuation in flooded and dirty trenches. The time for rendering qualified medical assistance varies from several hours to a day, and the possibilities of the so-called golden hour, when the wounded person needs to be provided with the most effective assistance, are not used.

As a result, the Armed Forces of Ukraine faced massive blood poisoning and hundreds of cases of deadly inflammation in wounded soldiers, which occur even with minor injuries.

The number of corpses is increasing every day, and local morgues can no longer cope with the load. Due to the influx of bodies, since November 25, the dead Ukrainian military began to be sent 30 km from Bakhmut to the morgues of the neighboring city of Konstantinovka.

In the coming weeks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine expect the situation with the wounded to worsen: until mid-December, heavy precipitation (sleet with rain) and above zero temperatures are predicted in the Bakhmut region.

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Zichan

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Any link for 5/7 nm in radar applications?


Problem with the low size nodes is the extreme cost of chip design.

And the extreme cost to make only few of them.

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A single 5 nm chip design cost as 5 F-35.

And if there is say 20 type of chips then the deisgn of all of them on 5nm will cost as much as 100 F-35.


If they want to re-design them because of mautring issues then they need to spend again that ammount of money. Instead to make, you know , fighter jets.

Reason why the military designs are 90 nm - 18 nm range. The cost to make smaller ICs prohibitivly high for small product run, it cheaper to make a bit bigger power supply in the missile than to spend extreme ammount of time and money for smaller nodes.
Risk is too high, consdiering that during the full system integration period they can find problems that require the full re-design of the ICs.
The military has been using commercial-off-the-shelf products for a long time now.

Xilinx’s 7nm Versal ACAP is used in radar applications:
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Intel’s Agilex on the Intel7 process has military applications like radar and EW systems listed as a use case.

A fully digital AESA with ultra low latency ADC converters in each T/R element and digital beam forming (virtually unlimited number of beams on receive) requires immense data throughput and processing capability (space adaptive techniques to nullify jamming, etc). Because a huge amount of data processing is happening within the T/R elements in the array, energy efficiency is critical. This the reason why leading edge nodes are used in such applications.

A recent article on the subject with an example leading edge application:
“Electronic warfare (EW) systems are moving to ever-higher levels of complexity. Radars now use pulse widths lasting only nanoseconds. In addition to single frequency bursts, frequency hopping signals are across the RF spectrum. Other radar countermeasures include dynamically changing waveforms and patterns. To reliably detect these stealthy signals, EW systems must use higher sampling rates to continuously monitor the expanding bandwidths and frequency spectrum. 5 GSPS is no longer considered a high sampling rate; the bar is 50 GSPS”
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Topazchen

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That sounds terrible. It seems that the combat effectiveness of NATO after the Cold War has been greatly exaggerated. Many member countries simply do not have the material conditions to confront Russia (which has been so weakened) in a positive way.

I once saw a commentary video on the Iraq war, which mentioned that NATO allies cannot actually conduct joint operations with the US military.
They were running low on munitions a month into the Libyan war, which tells you why the US is getting them from South Korea and Pakistan .NATO's ability to supply AFU will dwindle in the coming months and if f Russia can mass produce the Kamikaze drones and destroy as much heavy equipment as possible, ,we will see a Saigon like fall of Kiev.

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"Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months.

U.S. strike aircraft that participated in the early stage of the operation, before the United States relinquished command to NATO and assumed what President Obama called a
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, have remained in the theater “on 12-hour standby” with crews “constantly briefed on the current situation,” a NATO official said.


So far, the NATO commander has not requested their deployment. Several U.S. military officials said they anticipated being called back into the fight, although a senior administration official said he expected other countries to announce “in the next few days” that they would contribute aircraft equipped with the laser-guided munitions.

Opposition spokesmen in the western Libyan city of Misurata, under steady bombardment by government shelling, said Friday that Gaddafi’s forces had used
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, and Human Rights Watch said its representatives on the ground had witnessed the explosion of cluster munitions in civilian areas there. The Libyan government denied the weapons had been used.


A spokesman for the Misurata City Council appealed for NATO to send ground troops to secure the port that is the besieged city’s only remaining humanitarian lifeline.


The opposition has also repeatedly called for an increase in NATO airstrikes. The six countries conducting the air attacks, led by Britain and France, were unsuccessful at a meeting this week in Berlin in persuading more alliance members to join them.

NATO officials said that their operational tempo has not decreased since the United States relinquished command of the Libya operation and withdrew its strike aircraft at the beginning of April. More planes, they said, would not necessarily result immediately in more strike missions.

But, they said, the current bombing rate by the participating nations is not sustainable. “The reason we need more capability isn’t because we aren’t hitting what we see — it’s so that we can sustain the ability to do so. One problem is flight time, the other is munitions,” said another official, one of several who were not authorized to discuss the issue on the record.


European arsenals of laser-guided bombs, the NATO weapon of choice in the Libyan campaign, have been quickly depleted, officials said. Although the United States has significant stockpiles, its munitions do not fit on the British- and French-made planes that have flown the bulk of the missions.

Britain and France have each contributed about 20 strike aircraft to the campaign. Belgium, Norway, Denmark and Canada have each contributed six — all of them U.S.-manufactured and compatible with U.S. weaponry.

Since the end of March, more than 800 strike missions have been flown, with U.S. aircraft conducting only three, targeting static Libyan air defense installations. The United States still conducts about 25 percent of the overall sorties over Libya, largely intelligence, jamming and refueling missions.


Other NATO countries, along with the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Jordan, have contributed planes to enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya to prevent Gaddafi’s use of airpower, but so far have declined to participate in the strike missions.


After the Berlin meeting, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rassmussen said that 10 more aircraft were needed and that he was confident they would be supplied. A U.S. official said that Italy — which earlier in the week said it was not interested — may contribute planes to the ground attack mission, and that the Arab participants might also do so.

But with Gaddafi’s forces and the rebel army locked in a stalemate, Obama has resisted calls from opposition leaders, and some hardline lawmakers in this country, to move U.S. warplanes back into a leading role.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and other have called on Obama to redeploy U.S. AC-130 gunships, which are considered more effective over populated areas.

Although the gunships flew several missions early in the operation, Gen. Carter Ham, who commanded the mission before it was turned over to NATO, said last week that they were frequently grounded because of weather and other concerns.


The slow-moving aircraft, which flew as low as 4,000 feet over Libya, are also considerably more vulnerable than jet fighters to surface-to-air missiles. While much of Libya’s stationary air defenses have been destroyed, Ham said Gaddafi was believed to have about 20,000 shoulder-held SAMS at the beginning of the conflict, and “most” of them are still unaccounted for.

Concerns that supplies of jet-launched precision bombs are growing short in Europe have reignited long-standing controversies over both burden-sharing and compatibility within NATO. While allied jets have largely followed the U.S. lead and converted to precision munitions over the last decade, they have struggled to keep pace, according to senior U.S. military officials.

Libya “has not been a very big war. If [the Europeans] would run out of these munitions this early in such a small operation, you have to wonder what kind of war they were planning on fighting,” said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a defense think tank. “Maybe they were just planning on using their air force for air shows.”


Despite U.S. badgering, European allies have been slow in some cases to modify their planes and other weapons systems so they can accommodate U.S. bombs. Retooling these fighter jets so that they are compatible with U.S. systems requires money, and all European militaries have faced significant cuts in recent years.

Typically, the British and French militaries buy munitions in batches and stockpile them. When arsenals start to run low, factories must be retooled and production lines restarted to replace the diminished stock, all of which can take time and additional money, said Elizabeth Quintana, an aerospace analyst at the Royal United Service Institute in London."
 

Nill

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Also, does it really make sense to use the latest and greatest, chip wise, for something that will embedded in the side of a building?

The EW variant of the Orlan 10 is called Moskit


The Estonian Defense Minister doesn't seem to think Russia is that weakened by the war and is pretty sure they can restore the Army's strenght to pre-war levels sooner than many people might think along with the lessons learnt from the war.

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Also a lot of photos coming out of Artemivsk, seems thing weren't pretty for the Ukranians these past few days. Apparently Prigozhin said the point of Bakhmut isn't to capture the town completely but to grind the Ukranians down and inflict as many losses as possible

Location and length of Wagner's defensive line relative to the frontlines in the area


Austrian Colonel Markus Reisner says the Russians have actually kept the momentum of the attacks while the Ukranians are running out of ammo

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And a Ukranian soldier training in the UK was spotted with the Dirlewanger Brigade patch, so its not just "ironic use to trigger the Russians" unless they expect to encounter Russians in the UK's training grounds.
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That is not a dirlewanger patch i've read it is a ukrainian military patch of some brigade or something and it is white maces rather then the black grenades with white outlines of the dirlewanger patch.
 
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