The War in the Ukraine

Petrolicious88

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Ukraine is requesting many weapon systems which the NATO states still refused to provide. If one believes the Russia vs. NATO rhetoric then NATO is obviously winning right now despite not even fighting and still only providing limited amount of weapon systems.
Claiming that Abrams aren’t better than T-72 tanks is not just wrong also meaningless for the ocean of untapped NATO capabilities.
Russia has zero chance against US/NATO in conventional warfare. So Putin in desperation is again threatening to use nukes. It’s obvious that the PLA has moved past Russia in terms of capability and technology.
 

sheogorath

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In the latest arms shipment the US is promising another 200 MRAPs, that's not a insignificant amount of vechicles that are basically APC lite.
That's the thing APC's in general are already bad as it is when it comes to dealing with high intensity battlefields which is why IFVs exist in the first place. MRAP's are the brainchild of the Global War on Terror, meant to survive IEDs and the odd rusty RPG-7 in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is better than a Nissan or a Hilux but not by much and they are far bigger targets, visually. What they do have in their favor is speed, so for now they can outrun Russian artillery until they reach and over run the weak points of the Russian defense lines. Thing is, as winter rolls in the mobility advantage will be reduced as the ground softens and if the Russians reinforce their positions and bother to adapt their tactics, they will become deathdraps just like any other APC.

I'll still take an MRAP over an M113, in similar conditions.

The guy he was responding to made up stuff why NATO isn't sending tanks to Ukraine. :rolleyes:
PR and technology falling into enemy hands do factor in the kind of weapons being provided to someone by the west, along with other aspects. There is nothing made up about it and has happened before.

Nowhere did they imply Ukraine "was lucky" for not receiving them.

Yesterday there was a wave of attacks with Shahed-136 drones on Kiev. Several barracks were burned down though the Ukranians claims they were emtpy

An M777 position getting destroyed around Liman
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An Ukranian Humvee gets hit either by a BMP-1's main gun or got grazed by an MBT round, forcing the occupants to bail

Artillery fire on an Ukranian position corrected by drone. According to the post, the drone operator was in direct communication with a Giansint-B battery issuing corrections instead of going the usual hierarchic way.

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tankphobia

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The problem with MRAPs is they are not able to move off road. They have to move on road, which makes them vulnerable to drones and arti. Plus they are light armored and casualties are catastrophic.
If the Russians actually employed a large amount of armed drones this would be a problem, their speed makes up for their weakened protection as they are not going to be there by the time artillery hits. They fill a similar role to m113 in that they act as battle taxis but with way better crew protection against mines. There are many cases of MRAPs that are visually torn to pieces by IEDs but the crew escaped mostly unharmed.

It really does seem that that northern thrust are largely attributed to those light vehicles driving hard and fast along roadways, Russian defenses are just criminally undermanned at this point.
 

Temstar

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It really does seem that that northern thrust are largely attributed to those light vehicles driving hard and fast along roadways
If you're wondering why it's working for Ukrainians but not Russians at the start of the year it's because mixing wheeled and tracked vehicles into a BTG is a bad idea, and forcing that sort of mixed BTG into attempting to drive along roads at wheel IFV speed is just going to cause all the tracked vehicles break down all over the place.

For modern warfare you really need all wheel medium armour formations, and for that you need more than just BTR-80.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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A sobering thought to Ukraine's recent victories is that Putin's political career depends on Russian victory. I cant imagine the war will just magically stop if Ukraine manages to push the Russians all the way back to the border. It may take years before anti war sentiment has spread through enough of the upper echelons of power in Russia to dispose Putin. There is always the risk that those that dispose him do so under a banner of using a stronger fist against Ukraine and not one of suing for peace.
At a point in the near future the empire is going to strike back. Ukraine needs to prepare for this. Failure to do so will mean all the lives lost in achieving the recent gains were for nothing. I hope for Ukraine's sake they are digging into at every defensible point they have captured in preparation for the winter war redux Ukraine edition.
Yep, Ukraine has declared it's intent to invade and conquer Russia already.


This is a war of national survival for Russia now. A loss in Ukraine would lead to a century of humiliation and minor territorial loss like the Late Qing, if they're very very lucky. If they're unlucky they could end up like modern day India and Pakistan under the British. That is to say, Russia could cease to exist.

Needless to say that either scenario is bad for China. If Russia is not cooperating with satellite intelligence now they had better start. They can't keep riding Soviet era achievements forever.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Do American recon satellites see through cloud cover? Or is cloud cover only an issue for optical satellites but not for SAR satellites? AFAIK Ukraine is pretty much cloud covered in fall and winter which makes optical satellites pretty much useless.
It is not 100% cloud covered and with a high density satellite constellation like Jilin-1 your revisit time is on the order of a few hours, rather than days or weeks. Russia also no longer has SAR satellites.

They're also only sporadically flying their long range recon planes with side looking SAR. Basically Russians have been flying nearly blind outside of the support they get from China. And if China is not providing this support then it is a damning indictment of Chinese capability too.
 

tankphobia

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If you're wondering why it's working for Ukrainians but not Russians at the start of the year it's because mixing wheeled and tracked vehicles into a BTG is a bad idea, and forcing that sort of mixed BTG into attempting to drive along roads at wheel IFV speed is just going to cause all the tracked vehicles break down all over the place.

For modern warfare you really need all wheel medium armour formations, and for that you need more than just BTR-80.
Ukraine could also just throw 15k+ men with their accomplying vehicles into battle in stark contrast to Russia BTGs which were undermanned and over ambitious at the beginning of this war across a massive Front.
 

Zichan

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Do American recon satellites see through cloud cover? Or is cloud cover only an issue for optical satellites but not for SAR satellites? AFAIK Ukraine is pretty much cloud covered in fall and winter which makes optical satellites pretty much useless.
Yes. Radar sensing SAR satellites are how you achieve this. US commercial SAR satellites have 0.3m resolution. Military satellites can do even better.

AFAIK, Russia may have just one operational radar sensing satellite.
 
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