The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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Russians have begun losing their ancient T-62MV tanks. Kherson is being defended by Russias VDV units and regular forces and they running away.
Two T-62's for 6 or 7 Ukr loaded BMP/M113 and T-64's seems like a pretty good exchange to me.

Something is off with the barrel of the first one, it is too short. Fractured barrel resulting in tank being abandoned? Second T-62 has burn marks on the rear of the turret by the engine compartment.

They both were hit, but doesnt fit the narrative being pushed by the squad
 

sheogorath

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They have lost a lot more than just two T-62MV's in Kherson
Sure, but so have been the Ukranians losses you are pretending are not happening in Kherson. So, we have images of two disabled T-62's while past few days we keep seeing videos of ukranian BMP, APC and MBT pushing just to get hit by artillery, running over their own crews while fleeng, and so on.

So, more than a fair trade.

I'm still waiting that Kharkiv trap I was told about few weeks ago
Last time I checked, the war isnt over. We might even get a repeat of the Continuation War with just as much nazi denialism
 
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Biscuits

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According to rybar.

"The guys from the field report massively that the enemy's equipment was marked with our tactical insignia, i.e. "Z" and "V", which caused confusion in the first hours of the battle, when the front collapsed. If that's the case, then the enemy has an American network-centric battle control system, with all units on the battlefield tied in a grid and marked on computers, even at the company level, not to mention the battalion regiment. So, even a company sergeant in Humvee, BMP or T-64 sees on the screen, where their own and where others and he does not care what marks on the armor. If so, it is very bad, because is a qualitatively new level of control of troops. And our retreat is a consequence of the loss of the equation."

So the Ukrainians use an American grid system and uses star link satellite communications.

Do Russians have satellite communications or a grid system to tell friend from foe? Or a real time system to look at the location of the artillery? And order counter battery fire? If not then this is a large discrepancy to bridge and would be hard for the Russians to stem the losses.
Lol this is basic stuff, if Russia didn't have it by themselves and still failed to get it from China... Yeah... For the future of Russia's viability as an ally, large parts of the current leadership needs to go.

Then again, much misinfo circulating right now, safer to wait a week and see what the gains, losses and casualties look like.
 

Zichan

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That’s a serious accusation. Deceptive use of military insignia is a war crime according to the Hague Convention:
“Article 23(f) of the 1899 Hague Regulations provides: “It is especially prohibited … to make improper use of … the national flag or military ensigns and uniform of the enemy.”

Similarly according to the ICC statute:
“Pursuant to Article 8(2)(b)(vii) of the 1998 ICC Statute, “[m]aking improper use … of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy … resulting in death or serious personal injury” is a war crime in international armed conflicts.”
 

Janiz

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Well, it looks like the Russians are retreating/another frontline collapsing right now (pick what you like) in the northern part of East of the Dnieper river in the Kherson oblast. I thought that they're going to keep it at all cost but the Russians proved me wrong (again).
 

Petrolicious88

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Two planes were shoot down. The Serbian assets didn’t deny a single bombing run, though it caused a large share of the forces being bound for SEAD.

And then the experiences caused the development of an improved HARM with alternatively flies to the GPS coordinates of the radar system - making the tactics of turning off the radar obsolete.


And that’s pretty much the difference to Russia which didn’t learn anything. They can’t fly high because they would be easily targeted by anti air assets and are forced to do desperate low level runs which turn them into easy targets for manpads.
There is also the fact that Russians are using mostly unguided weapons so they can't hit anything from higher altitude, and another problem is subpar communication between air force and ground forces what prevents them from operating in unison, but biggest is that they don't have skills to do the job properly.
Agree. And it’s pretty much what most experts have stated since the beginning of this war. Russia can’t enforce a no fly zone in strategic areas of Ukraine because they don’t have the trainings, tactics and experience. Even worse, their ground troops are badly trained as well.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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They have lost a lot more than just two T-62MV's in Kherson.

I'm still waiting that Kharkiv trap I was told about few weeks ago.
Tha most likelly missile sponge.

Nothing else just a bait.
Two planes were shoot down. The Serbian assets didn’t deny a single bombing run, though it caused a large share of the forces being bound for SEAD.

And then the experiences caused the development of an improved HARM with alternatively flies to the GPS coordinates of the radar system - making the tactics of turning off the radar obsolete.
And that’s pretty much the difference to Russia which didn’t learn anything. They can’t fly high because they would be easily targeted by anti air assets and are forced to do desperate low level runs which turn them into easy targets for manpads.

I don't understand this, how the HARM know the GPS coordinate of the radar ?
Could you explain it please ?
According to rybar.

"The guys from the field report massively that the enemy's equipment was marked with our tactical insignia, i.e. "Z" and "V", which caused confusion in the first hours of the battle, when the front collapsed. If that's the case, then the enemy has an American network-centric battle control system, with all units on the battlefield tied in a grid and marked on computers, even at the company level, not to mention the battalion regiment. So, even a company sergeant in Humvee, BMP or T-64 sees on the screen, where their own and where others and he does not care what marks on the armor. If so, it is very bad, because is a qualitatively new level of control of troops. And our retreat is a consequence of the loss of the equation."

So the Ukrainians use an American grid system and uses star link satellite communications.

Do Russians have satellite communications or a grid system to tell friend from foe? Or a real time system to look at the location of the artillery? And order counter battery fire? If not then this is a large discrepancy to bridge and would be hard for the Russians to stem the losses.
Good news, means with simple jammers the enemy will hit they own armor.
Will be interesting.
 
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sheogorath

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"The guys from the field report massively that the enemy's equipment was marked with our tactical insignia, i.e. "Z" and "V", which caused confusion in the first hours of the battle, when the front collapsed.

This counts as a war crime, if true. Thought the Ukranians would haver learnt how to be more discrete after figuring out they could get away with executing civilians and blaming them on the Russians

Hague Regulations (1899)
Article 23(f) of the 1899 Hague Regulations provides: “It is especially prohibited … to make improper use of … the national flag or military ensigns and uniform of the enemy.”

Hague Regulations (1907)
Article 23(f) of the 1907 Hague Regulations provides: “It is especially forbidden … to make improper use … of the national flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy.”
Geneva Convention III

Additional Protocol I
Article 39(2) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides: “It is prohibited to make use of the flags or military emblems, insignia or uniforms of adverse Parties while engaging in attacks or in order to shield, favour, protect or impede military operations.”
 
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