The War in the Ukraine

baykalov

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Based on what is this channel pro-Ukrainian? I've read a few posts (10-15) - all of them have a pro-Russian slant, push the Russian narratives, and even the use of language is similar to pro-Russian channels. I mean, it uses words like "banderization", lol. Let's keep it factual, this is just misinformation - "Kartel" TG channel is not "pro-Ukrainian". Regarding the losses - time will tell whether VSU losses as bad as Russia claims or not, and whether it was worth it.

Do you think all Ukrainians support Zelensky and the war?! I think a part of Ukrainians both hate Russia and do not support Zelensky and do not want the war to be prolonged.
 

Abominable

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Dr Matthew Powell, a UK Air Power Expert at RAF College Cranwell comments on the new Iranian Shahed-136 suicide drone. He compares the Shahed-136 being similar to the V1 and V2 rockets in the second world war of which he claims they "operate on similar principles". The main differences being the propulsion changing slightly and "the use of technology has been incorporated to make them more effective and more accurate".
That's a terrible analogy from a so called "air power expert". V1s were pulsejet driven behemoths with 1000kg payloads. They used gyroscopes for an autopilot, accuracy was good enough only to target cities. Shahed drones are a fraction of the size using modern satellite navigation and INS navigation systems pinpoint precision, enabling them to take out tanks, artillery or any other heavy armoured target. It's construction is modern carbon fibre composite materials where as V1s were made of steel and wood. V2s were crude ballistic missiles, again nothing in common with an Iranian drone.

The Ukrainians have published a document which analyses a captured Shaheed drone in quite some detail, I'm surprised this so called expert isn't aware of this:

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Russians do have a pulsejet drone in their inventory, it was used as a decoy drone at the start of the war.
 

xypher

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Do you think all Ukrainians support Zelensky and the war?! I think a part of Ukrainians hate Russia, but they don't support Zelensky and don't want the war to be prolonged.
You called a channel that posts exclusively pro-Russian narratives a "pro-Ukrainian" one, so the question is - on what grounds and why? Are "Rybar" and other pro-Russian channels also "pro-Ukrainian" because some Ukrainians might not support Zelensky? By that logic, Western and Russian liberal media reports about "Russian army is so weak and will crumble any second now" are also "pro-Russian", because some Russians do not support Putin.

In the context of war and this thread, "pro-X" means the side of war - this TG channel clearly supports Russia, so it is not "pro-Ukrainian".
 
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baykalov

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You called a channel that posts exclusively pro-Russian narratives a "pro-Ukrainian" one, so the question is - on what grounds and why? Are "Rybar" and other pro-Russian channels also "pro-Ukrainian" because some Ukrainians might not support Zelensky? By that logic, Western and Russian liberal media reports about "Russian army is so weak and will crumble any second now" are also "pro-Russian", because some Russians do not support Putin.

In the context of war and this thread, "pro-X" means the side of war - this TG channel clearly supports Russia, so it is not "pro-Ukrainian".

The channel advertises itself as pro-Ukrainian. Or more specifically - pro Zaluzhny and anti Zelensky.
 

Weaasel

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Ukrainians on the roll. Now they have reached just outside of Kreminna. The highway is under threat

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Since the Ukrainians began their Kharkov offensive, one would have expected the Russians now three to four weeks later to have rushed in reinforcements from Russia itself into Luhansk and Northern Kharkov, even if not to go into a major counter offensive to take back territory or keep Lyman, but certainly at least to greatly fortify places like Svatove and Kremina. If they haven't done so by now, it is just a further testament to their very slow logisitical organization. If the Russians know that their logistical mobilization is slow, then they should have always had a large number of forces properly equipped and at ready within Ukraine at every front to prepare for the eventuality of a major Ukrainian counterattack.

If fast jets are threatened by s-300s what chances do larger bombers have? Additionally so far Russia has been very limited in terms of using guided bombs in their runs, while dumb bombs are good for static structures, it's not so much for a front that stretches tens of kilometres both in width and in depth. That's why tactical CAS planes have played a much more prominent role in this conflict so far, they are able to fly in, drop their payload and leave with a much better chance of survival than a bomber would have.

Strategic bombers are too expensive to lose to dropping dumb bombs.
The Ukrainians are obviously gathering and deploying their forces for these operations from locations close to the frontline, two such locations to attack Kremina are Lyman and Siversk. Russian artillery fire power alone is obviously not sufficient to stem the tide of Ukrainian movements at their source and the Russians certainly did not possess such infantry and armour to deal with large numbers of swarming Ukrainians. It is obvious that the tactical airstrikes by small jets and helicopters are insufficient either. The Russians will have to risk utilizing their heavy bombers in concert with artillery and small jet airstrikes to strike Ukrainian positions. A successful heavy bombing run of the type the Ukrainians have never before experienced does keep them honest and much more cautious in their advance. Russia's got to use all tools in its arsenal short of nuclear weapons to stem the tide of the Ukrainian advance.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Are S300 so potent that Russian strategic bomber can’t even fly and carpet bomb the advancing UAF counter attacks? Why are russians only using only missiles or artillary to check advancing ukrainian troops? Even if these bombs aren’t accurate, their presence alone will force Ukarinian troops to fall back psychologically. Are they saving these planes for potential NATO invasion ? If RAF can’t go pass S300 then what are their realistic chances against NATO airforce and SAM defense?

I might be wrong, what is the purpose of keeping about 100k troops at Belarusian border ? Ukraine must have already dug up trenches and fortified at that location. Instead They could had been more useful at active battle front at Kharkov or kherson front !!!!
The jet Russian strategic bombers like Tu-22M and Tu-160 were built around a rotary launcher for cruise missiles, Kh-22 and Kh-55 respectively. They were specifically designed for cruise missile carrying in mind. They were designed for maritime interdiction of CBGs and strikes on military bases, not dropping dumb bombs.

The Tu-95 was designed for dumb bombing but became too unsurvivable and also had its internal bomb bay redone to accomodate the missile revolver.
 

tankphobia

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The Ukrainians are obviously gathering and deploying their forces for these operations from locations close to the frontline, two such locations to attack Kremina are Lyman and Siversk. Russian artillery fire power alone is obviously not sufficient to stem the tide of Ukrainian movements at their source and the Russians certainly did not possess such infantry and armour to deal with large numbers of swarming Ukrainians. It is obvious that the tactical airstrikes by small jets and helicopters are insufficient either. The Russians will have to risk utilizing their heavy bombers in concert with artillery and small jet airstrikes to strike Ukrainian positions. A successful heavy bombing run of the type the Ukrainians have never before experienced does keep them honest and much more cautious in their advance. Russia's got to use all tools in its arsenal short of nuclear weapons to stem the tide of the Ukrainian advance.
Another factor we should consider is that there seem to be a disconnect between the airforce and army units, they kinda seem to be doing their own thing rather than having a unified command structure where ground elements can easily call in airstrikes, rather that fire support role is largely filled by tube artillery.

While it has been a much discussed topic, recent communications show that the intensity of artillery fire has lowered since the offensives in the months prior where up to 60,000 shells were fired in a day, whether that is due to distributed nature of logistics for avoidance of HIMARS fires or Russia is actually running low on ammunition we do not know. Either way recent events may be the wake up call for the Russian aerospace forces to start taking on more risks, lest they become the next scapegoat to be blamed in case Ukraine keeps advancing.
 

Sheleah

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Russia continues to lose "its territory"... Ukraine liberating areas in the north of Kherson, Khreschenivka returns to Ukrainian control



The invaders don't have a good time on any front lines, they keep falling back.

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zolota balka, invaders out!

Shevchenkivka, invaders out!


Russian Strelkov (FSB Igor Girkin) confirms the setbacks of the Russians in their "own territory"...

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In a few hours, Russia has lost several kilometers of "its territory"... Interesting scenario, especially after Putin's nonsense and his threats about the "new territories"...
 
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