The War in the Ukraine

siegecrossbow

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Hope anyone thinking of messing with China yet thinks Russia is using washing machine chips for their weapons, better understand this: China makes same amount of washing machines as the next 4 countries combined.

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Can’t help but wonder if some of these washing machine chips made their way into ejection seats just so someone could save a buck.
 

drowingfish

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that could be an intended effect of the draft, which is to get people to volunteer for better pay and positions.
According to the Bulgarian mainstream media, the mobilization in Russia is proceeding normally. More than 10 000 volunteers signed up on the first day without receiving any summons.



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jvodan

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The use of the term draftee in the media and elsewhere is misleading.
Russians partial mobilisation is not a draft. Russia is not calling up additional conscripts or using existing conscripts. They are mobilising a small fraction of their reserves. This is what the Americans call an involuntary call-up of reservists.


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* The immediate call-up of 300,000 military reservists who have previously served in the Russian army and have combat experience or specialised military skills. Students or conscripts - young men serving mandatory 12-month terms in the armed forces - will not be included.

* The military is looking for reservists who have done specific and specialised jobs in the army in the past, such as tank drivers, sappers and snipers. However, the exact list of specialities it requires is classified as that would reveal where Russia has personnel gaps.


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“In theory, Russia can mobilise between 2 and 20 million men,” said Nicolo Fasola, a specialist in the Russian military at the University of Bologna. Two million men who have served in the last five years could be considered among those who have seen combat and are thus eligible for mobilisation. In all, Fasola said, 20 million men on the list of reservists are still of an age to serve at the front.

Shoigu said around 25 million people meet the criteria to be mobilised, but that only around 1 percent will be called up.

I think if you are a 52 yo combat veteran of the Afghanistan conflict you are pretty safe, however if you are a 52yo T55 tank mechanic veteran of the Afghanistan conflict you might be receiving a letter from Shoigu
 
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tankphobia

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The use of the term draftee in the media and elsewhere is misleading.
Russians partial mobilisation is not a draft. Russia is not calling up additional conscripts or using existing conscripts. They are mobilising a small fraction of their reserves. This is what the Americans call an involuntary call-up of reservists.


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I think if you are a 52 yo combat veteran of the Afghanistan conflict you are pretty safe, however if you are a 52yo T55 tank mechanic veteran of the Afghanistan conflict you might be receiving a letter from Shoigu
But if all fighting age men has received conscription in the past, is there really a practical difference between a draft and a mobilization of reserves? After all basically any men under their mid 50s would fall under the criteria.
 

B777LR

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The use of the term draftee in the media and elsewhere is misleading.
Russians partial mobilisation is not a draft. Russia is not calling up additional conscripts or using existing conscripts. They are mobilising a small fraction of their reserves. This is what the Americans call an involuntary call-up of reservists.


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I think if you are a 52 yo combat veteran of the Afghanistan conflict you are pretty safe, however if you are a 52yo T55 tank mechanic veteran of the Afghanistan conflict you might be receiving a letter from Shoigu

I agree that it has been misleading, but on the other hand, 300.000 is not merely specialized tank drivers, mechanics and snipers. That's a fully fledged army complete with frontline infantry.
 

Weaasel

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It's less about public consent and more about maximizing impact.

If Russia sent a ton of conscripts on day 1, sure, they might have won instantly and then occupied Ukraine completely. But if they fail or get bogged down, then there is no way to replenish the army, and no way out aside from nukes.

By softening up AFU forces for more than 6 months, Russia has made the situation far easier for conscripts to manage.

Had Russia sent in conscripts on day 1, they would be sending them into an offensive maneuver war against fully equipped late-USSR standard formations tasked with defending. The result might have been similar to the first attack on Kiev. Or sheer numbers could give the Russians a decisive edge, but that is a gamble.

Now instead, conscripts are going into mainly garrison/artillery duty against a much weaker AFU.
If Russia's aims do not go much beyond repelling the Ukrainians in Kharkov, taking control of all of Donbass, and maintaining the rest of the Frontline, then Russia's mobilization has the manpower and materiel to do so...
 

obj 705A

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As usual people are using old videos falsely claiming they show long lines of cars running away from Russia after the mobilization. it is surprising to see that out of all the media, the AP is exposing and debunking these videos.

Video of traffic at the Finnish-Russian border misrepresented​


CLAIM: Video shows lines of cars waiting at the Finnish-Russian border after Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a partial mobilization of reservists on Wednesday amid the war in Ukraine.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The video was filmed at the Vaalimaa border crossing point between Russia and Finland on Aug. 29, weeks before Putin announced the partial mobilization of Russian reservists to Ukraine. Finland’s border authority has been monitoring the traffic, and stated on Thursday that the increase of traffic at the Finnish-Russian border has been comparable to typical weekend traffic.

THE FACTS: Following Putin's announcement, the first such call-up in Russia since World War II, social media users misrepresented a video showing traffic at the Vaalimaa border crossing point in Finland, about a three hour drive from St. Petersburg, Russia.

The original video, which was posted to Youtube
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and Tiktok on Sept.19, shows a long line of cars at the border crossing point. Social media users then took the clip out of context, falsely claiming that it captured Russians fleeing to Finland.

“#Breaking: just in - The traffic jam at the border with#Russia/#Finland has pilled up to 35KM and is rising by the hour, it is the only border who is still open for Russian civilians with shengen visas, after#Putin announced he will send 300.000 new troops to#Ukraine,” a tweet with more than 2.7 million views falsely claimed.


Igor Parri, the TikTok user who posted the original video confirmed to The Associated Press in an email that he filmed the video on Aug. 29. He sent the AP the original video to verify that he filmed it and noted that the video “was just depicting the quite typical line” at the border.

The Finish border authority on Wednesday publicly responded to the claims circulating widely on social media, noting that traffic conditions at the border remained normal.

“Situation at Finnish Russian border is normal, both at green border and in border traffic,” Matti Pitkäniitty, a senior official with the Finnish border authority wrote in a statement posted to Twitter. “Just talked to our officers in charge. There is normal queuing in border traffic…”

Pitkäniitty then tweeted on Thursday that traffic from Russia was at a “higher level than usual,” but was comparable to weekend traffic.

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Stealthflanker

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As usual people are using old videos falsely claiming they show long lines of cars running away from Russia after the mobilization. it is surprising to see that out of all the media, the AP is exposing and debunking these videos.

Good job for them.. or they just play good cop bad cop.

Nonetheless it's those kind of misinterpretations that brought false information and misleading people. But i still see people in social media selling their critical thought ability just because it's "good for morale" yet at the same time wanting "100% truth" it's clear form of hypocrissy which also for some reason hated by the very same people.
 

gelgoog

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But if all fighting age men has received conscription in the past, is there really a practical difference between a draft and a mobilization of reserves? After all basically any men under their mid 50s would fall under the criteria.
Not everyone in Russia today is called up for conscription. Just a fraction of the whole male population.
 

Atomicfrog

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Not everyone in Russia today is called up for conscription. Just a fraction of the whole male population.
Conscription in Russia is mandatory for all male citizens ages 18–27 and it's a 12-month draft. It ocur each year and approximately 250,000 between the ages of eighteen and twenty-seven are drafted each year to serve in the regular army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs forces, border troops, and other branches of Russia's vast armed forces. I don't know what is the fuzz about all this.

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