The War in the Ukraine

Tam

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One drone laden truck failed to make it. Caught fire and exploded.

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Iskander cluster munitions strike on a Ukrainian training base. Assume many dead and wounded, given Drapaty's resignation. Can also be UAV operators, special forces and foreign instructors.

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AndrewJ

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They know Putin is a moderate and will not do anything. The retaliation could be just another symbolic attack to maintain the appearance of damage control and the pace of the war.

I am tired of repeating the same things about Russian incompetence.

Putin is good at throwing bombs/missiles/drones at random civilian targets.
Excuses like "Ukraine has almost no large military assets inside its borders, so Putin can only retaliate at civilian targets" are just another expression of incompetence. We never see Putin successfully target Ukraine's drones/USV/munition storage sites & command sites, which leads to these deep drone strikes happening again and again.

Russia sucks at defense. Russia has almost no defense at these bases, munition storage sites, bridges, etc. It's not the first time we've seen Ukrainian drones coming deep into Russian territory & hit multiple targets at ease without any interference. WTF? It's really a joke that Russian military is ranked No.2 in the world. Maybe in storage quantity, but definitely not in quality, combat readiness, ISR capability, INT, etc.

There are too many breaches. Russia never learns from its previous mistakes/failures. The entire military & leadership are rotten.
 
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Sinnavuuty

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Maybe do another emergency meeting and appear to be scolding his generals and ministers in that weird long table that he has.

Sounds about right I guess
Medvedev must be yelling at everyone in the conference room right now, while Putin is silent as always.

A curious detail, probably just a mere coincidence, but today is Yevgeny Prigozhin's birthday, he would have turned 64 today.
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plawolf

Lieutenant General
It definitely crosses the red line, but Ukraine has carried out strikes against the Russian nuclear triad before, although not successfully, the Russians retaliated symbolically, which was not to be expected considering that according to the extract from the “State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence”, approved by decree of President Putin on November 19, 2024:
“Part III.

Conditions for the transition of the Russian Federation to the use of nuclear weapons

Paragraph 19. The conditions that determine the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation include:

c) attacks by an enemy against critically important state or military facilities of the Russian Federation, the deactivation of which would lead to the cessation of the response actions of nuclear forces.”

As for retaliation, of course there will be, but I mean it in the sense of being effective and not just showing strength, as the Russians have been doing whenever they suffer a setback in war. There will be retaliation, but I sincerely hope it will be mild, as it has been since the beginning.

There is salami slicing and there is just taking the whole sausage.

Before, it was hard for Russia to justify crossing the nuclear threshold for a bit of poking and prodding, but this is basically equivalent to an alpha strike against Russia’s nuclear triad.

And this is at an especially sensitive time for Russia. Since repeated test failures have already case serious doubt on the viability of its land based ICBMs. To attack both its airborne and sea based nuclear triad elements is getting dangerously close to looking like paving the war for systematic compromising of Russia’s entire nuclear delivery capability.

Putin has the capacity for restraint and climbing down when it’s in his interest. But as the actual Ukraine war itself proves, he is no pussy and will step up if you push him far enough, and he is really not someone you want to play nuclear chicken with.
 

Sinnavuuty

Captain
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There is salami slicing and there is just taking the whole sausage.

Before, it was hard for Russia to justify crossing the nuclear threshold for a bit of poking and prodding, but this is basically equivalent to an alpha strike against Russia’s nuclear triad.

And this is at an especially sensitive time for Russia. Since repeated test failures have already case serious doubt on the viability of its land based ICBMs. To attack both its airborne and sea based nuclear triad elements is getting dangerously close to looking like paving the war for systematic compromising of Russia’s entire nuclear delivery capability.

Putin has the capacity for restraint and climbing down when it’s in his interest. But as the actual Ukraine war itself proves, he is no pussy and will step up if you push him far enough, and he is really not someone you want to play nuclear chicken with.
I am not talking about crossing the line to use nuclear weapons, I am deliberately writing about Russia's way of conducting this war. Since 2022, they have been dragging their feet in this war, suffering setbacks that are completely alienating their respective military advantages over NATO. In reality, Ukraine is being used by NATO precisely to compromise Russian military capabilities, this attack today is yet another proof of this Western military policy.

The Russians still think that they can contain Ukraine militarily without compromising their own military capabilities in a limited open war, when in reality, Ukraine is so motivated enough to lead to Russia's defeat in the war that they will do everything to make this possible, NATO is more than motivated to make this a reality too.

Dude, Ukraine has already attacked Murmansk. It has attacked Russian early warning radars. It has previously attacked the strategic bomber base in Engels. Now this attack again. All of this should have been a warning to the Russians that they can no longer contain this war, either they must completely finish off Ukraine soon, or they will end up compromising their most critical military capabilities vis-à-vis NATO.

See, this is not the use of nuclear weapons. It is Russian military strategy in Ukraine. Unless the Russians change their approach, we will see this happen again and again, and the next time it could be an even more devastating attack considering Ukraine's growing drone strike capabilities against Russia.
 

Overbom

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But as the actual Ukraine war itself proves, he is no pussy and will step up if you push him far enough, and he is really not someone you want to play nuclear chicken with.
Western anti-tank weaponry going to Ukraine, then tanks, then fighter jets, HIMARS, then allowing long range attacks on Russian territory etc

I am sure that his "step up" ability has for sure deterred the West.
 
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