asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Type 726 can't lift and doesn't have carrying capacity of US counterpart
No photo it didn't happen
No fanboy CGI welcome keep dreaming
No photo it didn't happen
No fanboy CGI welcome keep dreaming
The PLAN LCAC Type 726 Yuyi Class
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Why would I allow ANY of your idiotic assumptions to pass, like 50% vs 50%, 1.3 X LCAC, and all the other nonsense you have tried "assume" so that your fakeass numbers can work with your fakeass CGI?
Is that the best you can come with than I rest my case
QED or Quod Erat Demonstrandum
Your humorous pomposity cannot hide the fact that you literally have no "case" to make, much less to "rest". You literally pulled "1.3 X LCAC" out of your ass. You literally pulled "50% vs 50%" out of your ass. Every subsequent number that you generated based on these idiotic numbers is also an idiotic number. You have been totally unable to deal with the design features that I brought up demonstrating the designers' intent to use the 726 in single-file fashion only. Three columns of the LCAC vs single column of the 726. 3 to 1. Here is a ratio even you could understand, but don't because your fanboism has turned your brain cells into jello.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
If you believe in what you said then there is no point to continue discussion. Effectively you repudiate the precept of scientific exploration based on Hypotheses. In case you didn't know here is the definition. I attach the picture for all to verify my assumption .You can quibble with the exact number but the end result is the same. You concede it yourself it is longer and I say it is wider too. so my assumption is not out of the blue. Name calling, Throwing tantrum make you look bad. It doesn't help your case
All I do is run a very simple simple calc
hy·poth·e·sis
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noun
plural noun: hypotheses
- a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
"professional astronomers attacked him for popularizing an unconfirmed hypothesis"
synonyms: theory, theorem, thesis, conjecture, supposition, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, assumption; More- PHILOSOPHY
a proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.
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ROFLMAO WOW!! Now you are pulling out the definition of hypothesis in order to try and validate your moronic assbackward assumptions? I literally cannot stop laughing at this! Man, you must feel like Copernicus or Galileo being persecuted for your righteous beliefs, don't you? LOLOLOLOLOL
Well, the simple facts are that the PLAN built a handful of 726s to begin with...and they have used them a few times.
But they have NEVER...NOT ONCE been seen with anything other than a few soldiers, or with the lightest of loads imaginable.
If the PLAN could load them up and use them in their amphibious exercises, you can bet your bottom dollar they would.
Then they built a few more and we hoped that whatever the problem was had been ovrcome.
but...nope.
Still no pictures of any PLAN LCAC (Type 726) with anything that approaches a usable amphibious l;oad and to demonstrate the capability that the Type 071 was built for in terms of carrying four LCACs and their loads of equipment,
I will believe that they have overcome whatever their problem has been when I see that...not before. Too much time and too many pics have gone by for years now for is to accept anything less.
Whether it is the engines, the structure, the design itself, or whatever...whatever it is, the current Tyope 726 des not appear capable of carrying a useful Amphibious load of troops and equipment...equipment meaning several APCs, Light Armor, ot other vehicles and men.
When I see a Chinese version of this...I will know that they have made good on what they wanted to accomplish with the Type 071:
Here's several (five) at a time during training exercises:
Generally, from the PLAN, we see something like this:
Once, several years ago, I saw this pic...but it is the only time I ever saw any armor, even one medium tank, on a PLAN LCAC...and have never seen it since:
But they have NEVER...NOT ONCE been seen with anything other than a few soldiers, or with the lightest of loads imaginable.
If the PLAN could load them up and use them in their amphibious exercises, you can bet your bottom dollar they would.
Then they built a few more and we hoped that whatever the problem was had been ovrcome.
but...nope.
Still no pictures of any PLAN LCAC (Type 726) with anything that approaches a usable amphibious l;oad and to demonstrate the capability that the Type 071 was built for in terms of carrying four LCACs and their loads of equipment,
I will believe that they have overcome whatever their problem has been when I see that...not before. Too much time and too many pics have gone by for years now for is to accept anything less.
Whether it is the engines, the structure, the design itself, or whatever...whatever it is, the current Tyope 726 des not appear capable of carrying a useful Amphibious load of troops and equipment...equipment meaning several APCs, Light Armor, ot other vehicles and men.
When I see a Chinese version of this...I will know that they have made good on what they wanted to accomplish with the Type 071:
Here's several (five) at a time during training exercises:
Generally, from the PLAN, we see something like this:
Once, several years ago, I saw this pic...but it is the only time I ever saw any armor, even one medium tank, on a PLAN LCAC...and have never seen it since:
My concern with this type has always been what I see as the inherent design flaws of this hovercraft. It may or may not have teething problems with engines, transmission, or whatever, but these are temporary problems that are solvable, and from recent rumors they may have in fact been solved already. I don't feel that lack of photographic evidence of a full load means that at this moment the 726 is incapable of a full load, either by weight or by volume. At minimum the 726 can load 43 tons, the weight of the Type 96 seen in the photo, though this would be short of its alleged 50 ton (60 ton overload) maximum carrying capacity. I think we will see a full load soon enough.
It is the design of the 726 that is the real problem. An ACV about the size of the LCAC yet only designed to load a third of the volume of LCAC. I realize that philosophy of use is possibly one of the reasons for this, but I think also that inefficient design and inability to reduce the size of the engine components are also likely to be major contributors. Yet despite all this, with some degree of modification to the design of the deck and the ramp(s), this ACV could theoretically load 2 full columns of jeeps without much difficulty. Jeeps are where 2 columns would make the difference, as every other larger vehicle would load single-file due to size and/or weight restrictions. Now had the designers actually been able to design a full 3 columns into the 726, in addition to 3 columns of jeeps it would have opened up 2-column possibilities for larger vehicles like 5-ton and 10-ton trucks and light IFVs like the WZ-551, allowing the theoretical weight capacity of the 726 to be the limiting factor rather than the surface area capacity. If LPD/LHD-based ACVs are in the cards for the PLAN over the long term, I would bet real money they will either massively redesign the 726 or scrap it and use an entirely new design altogether that maximizes the usable surface area.
It is the design of the 726 that is the real problem. An ACV about the size of the LCAC yet only designed to load a third of the volume of LCAC. I realize that philosophy of use is possibly one of the reasons for this, but I think also that inefficient design and inability to reduce the size of the engine components are also likely to be major contributors. Yet despite all this, with some degree of modification to the design of the deck and the ramp(s), this ACV could theoretically load 2 full columns of jeeps without much difficulty. Jeeps are where 2 columns would make the difference, as every other larger vehicle would load single-file due to size and/or weight restrictions. Now had the designers actually been able to design a full 3 columns into the 726, in addition to 3 columns of jeeps it would have opened up 2-column possibilities for larger vehicles like 5-ton and 10-ton trucks and light IFVs like the WZ-551, allowing the theoretical weight capacity of the 726 to be the limiting factor rather than the surface area capacity. If LPD/LHD-based ACVs are in the cards for the PLAN over the long term, I would bet real money they will either massively redesign the 726 or scrap it and use an entirely new design altogether that maximizes the usable surface area.
by78
General
I was contemplating the same. The current design could well be unsatisfactory due to the large dimensions of the engines relative to the craft, or perhaps even the engines' performance. Hopefully a redesign, if it's being considered, involves new and more (space) efficient engines, freeing up more cargo space, and perhaps even shrinking its width a bit because it barely clears the 071's well deck.
Engine is the real constraining factor here, as usual; there is no other plausible explanation. I can't believe Chinese naval designers would be so stupid as to make such a simple mistake. The gas-turbine engine, QC70, takes more than eight years to get ready (so we heard, and it's not 100% guaranteed). And they come with bulky components.
I believe PLAN is as frustrated as some of you here.
I believe PLAN is as frustrated as some of you here.