The benefit of building a Nuke-powered destroyer or crusier.

I was thinking the same thing about the Klingon ship too crobato. Bottom line is Ben Rich stated we have the capability. The rest is speculation. My general point is though, that we certainly do not know the nature of all the black projects out there and even though we think we may have a handle on a nations military capabilities, the fact is we may not.

More than one army has been surprised by a technical breakthrough developed by another nation's military. This forum appears to do a good job of keeping on top of military hardware fielded by several relevant countries. It's also nice to get input from folks who are in some of the militaries that are being discussed.

There is a lot of kooky stuff out there. Some is certailny BS, but some is true. I had a good friend who passed away in 1995 who, before becomming a member of the civilian community spent some time with Army intel (not at the junior level). One day I asked him about Roswell....I thought he'd laugh at me for asking, but he instead related that although he was not in any way involved with that project, that the government had recovered a craft that was presumed to be of extraterrestrial origin. There is a group called The Disclosure Project that has a bunch of respectable appearing ex military types discussing some of our gov's involvement with UFO's. I do not know if any of that is true, but my friend was absolutely trustworthy and if he said we recovered an ET craft, then I would say we got at least one in a hangar somewhere.

I don't know. Simply said, Ben Rich can be stating a hyperbole. Do you know what a hyperbole is?

I have learned a lot in my life to take things with a piece of salt, even if it was said by a famous person. I don't takes words and expressions with a theological frame of mind---theology is to analyze words and phrases which is dogma---but instead with a scientific frame of mind, which is to doubt and look for cross references, verification and experimentation. Believe me a lot of people in these forums approach things with a theological frame of mind, not with a scientific frame of mind.

And I say dogma because you already assumed what Ben Rich said is absolutely true, without any skepticism that he can be wrong or what he is saying is hyperbole and taken out of context. Part of dogma and theology is often about taking things out of context, never mind saying we don't know what the rest of the conversation Ben Rich was making at that time.

Well, I did make an assumption and I do know what hyperbole is. Time will tell. Sooner or later we will get the scoop one way or another. (If we can survive the next four years of the messiah)

Or for that matter, if we can survive the end of the world projected at 2012 as predicted by the Mayan Calendar.

By the way, all that stuff you mentioned has been around for decades now. Don't hold your breath for the scoop. People have waited and waited...

This is already out of topic anyway.

sounds like a load of BS. Its taken America 40 years to even future attempt another landing on the moon. Im begining to wonder if they even landed on the moon in the first place. Anyway off topic. Why so much fuss in using hydrogen to power the submarine, shouldn't one first use means in providing crew with enough oxygen, then worrying about power. it takes that much energy in conventional engines to extract hydrogen to run the engines and hardly left for the crew. in the end nuclear reactor would be better.

Yeah, I think it's very likely that human have already made contact with extra-terristrial being. They may have even acquired some of their technology. I heard a rumor on a Chinese news website that maybe an intelligent civilisation was destroyed by a nuclear war, prehistorically, as archeologists find evidence of pre-historic nuclear reactors. These, ET and pre-historic civilisation, can be very potent source of space age technology like star fleets with giant plasma cannon. Pew pew, boom.

Judgement Day said:

Uh, sorry Mu Shu, but hydrogen IS easily extracted from water now. NASA uses a hydrogen extraction system on some of it's spacecraft.

This guy in Florida apparently has developed an extractor similar to what NASA is using. Link:

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(Watch the video of water fueled car and torch)

The Japanese are getting ready to sell a car that runs on water that uses a simple and efficient hydrogen extraxction system. I do not understand precisely how the technology works, but it does work.

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It's a bit of a sham. The hydrogen is extracted using battery power. What this car does is deplete batteries to create hydrogen out of water. It is not sustainable because the engine does not have enough energy to power the vehicle and recharge the batteries.
I cannot find any sources that indicate NASA is converting water to hydrogen on any space craft. I would have to ask why when it would be a waste of weight to bring water into space rather than load it with hydrogen, and throw away oxygen in the bargain. It makes no sense.

You get more net power through carrying both hydrogen and oxygen with you to power a fuel cell rather than carrying water to split into hydrogen and oxygen.

Mu Shu Tortilla said:

It's a bit of a sham. The hydrogen is extracted using battery power. What this car does is deplete batteries to create hydrogen out of water. It is not sustainable because the engine does not have enough energy to power the vehicle and recharge the batteries.
I cannot find any sources that indicate NASA is converting water to hydrogen on any space craft. I would have to ask why when it would be a waste of weight to bring water into space rather than load it with hydrogen, and throw away oxygen in the bargain. It makes no sense.

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Mu Shu, I remember seeing a video clip on the internet about this roughly two years ago. I will try to find it and post it, if possible. Again, I do not know how much energy is required for the separation, but, in space it could have emergency application....i.e. extract hydrogen from wastewater for extra power in an emergency. I will try to research this further as time allows.

Judgement Day said:

Mu Shu, I remember seeing a video clip on the internet about this roughly two years ago. I will try to find it and post it, if possible. Again, I do not know how much energy is required for the separation, but, in space it could have emergency application....i.e. extract hydrogen from wastewater for extra power in an emergency. I will try to research this further as time allows.

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Don't bother. The video has been on about half the discussion boards on the internet. Yes it "works", but at the expense of batteries. Some deal.
Another guy is demonstrating a car that separates hydrogen from water electrically but only in very small quantities. The hydrogen is injected into the air/fuel mixture and supposedly give better fuel mileage.
It still won't beat the mileage of a good direct injection turbo diesel. My vote is to pursue these instead and fuel them with bio-diesel. There will come a time in the very near future where all manner of organic waste will be usable as a bio-diesel. That seems a lot more realistic than the hydrogen fantasy. Crud, there are direct injection turbo diesels in Europe right now that are cleaner than most US gasoline engines, but the diesel ( and gasoline ) in Europe have lower sulfur content than US fuels.