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kentchang

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I disagree. Bingtuan is meant to secure an area with low population and plentiful land. Taiwan is more than a little dense and major lacking in land. How would the bingtuan and normal military garrison differ?

The ROC flag/currency/passport will not be kept. China learned from the HK two systems that clearly it does not work. Anyone who votes DPP can be expected to be on a blacklist for a certain amount of time until de-radicalization is complete.
Full rights means China passport, same ID card, and all legal rights, not the current Travel Document thing. The goal is to calm the fears of the silent majority so they stay passive. The hardcores you can never change so just let them swim to Japan.

Social reunification/integration is soft power. This is also why DPP is so much against it because it works great. To me, it is a no brainer to offer 1,000 full scholarships to Taiwan students to attend the top 5/10 Chinese universities.

Any para/military presence on the island of Taiwan would be invasive. How would you like a total stranger taking over your basement and insists on having meal at the same table every night?

From what I have read here so far, many here still think in terms of a zero-sum take-over and that is sad. If Taiwan is a son living abroad, should the parents hire thugs to abduct the son back home for Spring Festival or say "here are the airline tickets, please come home because we missed you". Which do you think is better? Just read the other threads and feel the contempt for what U.S. has done and you want China to be exactly the same?

Kuwait was carved out of Iraq by the British. Saddam Hussein went into Kuwait to reclaim ancestral Iraqi land. How did he do? Kuwait was part of Iraq for much longer time than Taiwan as part of Chinese Mainland (only from Shi Lang to the Treaty of Shimonoseki).

Reunification must be presented as a win-win situation. Taiwan is a more prosperous and much freer society. Keep the meaning and spirit of the word 'Reunification' in mind, China must offer sufficient incentives. Just like life, when you learn to give a little, you realize you gain a lot more in return.

The reason why the West fears China today is because China has shown it can think big and grand and long term. Using overwhelming military power to suppress and subjugate a small island of peaceful and free people is what an insecure, uncreative, and petty bully would do. This is not a computer game. This is not about winning or losing. This is about China (the Civilization, not CCP) bringing closure to an unpleasant part of her past. China only wins when Taiwan wins. If China can solve the Taiwan problem peacefully, China cements its place as first among equals otherwise it is just an improved iteration of the Soviet Union.

The West dominated the 19th Century because one man, Bismarck, kept Europe in relative PEACE internally. It is difficult to see the person succeeding Xi to be as all-powerful. If Xi wants stand next to Mao and Deng in the CCP Pantheon and I am sure he does, the Taiwan problem must be resolved amicably or else he is another wannabe. Anyone including Trump can invade and take over Taiwan today but only fools would call that a victory because the 'end' is not about the land of Taiwan (or TSM) but the hearts and minds of the people.

Think Beijing Olympics. That is the singular event that woke the West to China's rise. Peaceful resolution of the Taiwan problem will mark the end of the Great Game competition.
 

Gatekeeper

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I feel I must put the records straight. Neither me nor anyone else is suggesting China should attack Taiwan because it seek reunification.

The back and forth of all these posts relates to one member. And one member alone. And now he has succeeded in making those of us that's anti-indepenent camp as some kind of war-mongering brainless CCP loving automatons.

If you read back all the back and forth, we basically was calling in doubts the commitment of U.S. willingness to sacrifice their young men to save a far off foreign land that they treat us a chess piece pawn. That's not to say we are probing their resolves in order to seek a weakness so we can make plans to attack Taiwan once we know for sure US won't be sending the 7th fleet in.

We are just saying they don't have to resolve. Further, a lot of Chinese felt this us an internal matter, including those of KMT persuasion. And they were the governing party only 5 years ago. So the party the English vegetable represent is not the be all that end all.

I don't think anyone is suggesting for one moment China is going to force reunification. All of us here understand China position on this. That is, China reserve the right, as it is any nation that have its sovereignty violated, to respond appropriately.

It is certain member here that managed to twist things to make it look as though we are all blood thirsty CCP paid up members seeking revenge on 100 years humiliation. This threads proves one thing, and that us the ability of mind bending us strong with some of our members.
 
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NiuBiDaRen

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I feel I must put the records straight. Neither me nor anyone else is suggesting China should attack Taiwan because it seek reunification.

The back and forth of all these posts relates to one member. And one member alone. And now he has succeeded in making those of us that's anti-indepenent camp as some kind of war-mongering brainless CCP loving automatons.

If you read back all the back and forth, we basically was calling in doubts the commitment of U.S. willingness to sacrifice their young men to save a far off foreign land that they treat us a chess piece pawn. That's not to say we are probing their resolves in order to seek a weakness so we can make plans to attack Taiwan once we know for sure US won't be sending the 7th fleet in.

We are just saying they don't have to resolve. Further, a lot of Chinese felt this us an internal matter, including those of KMT persuasion. And they were the governing party only 5 years ago. So the party the English vegetable represent is not the be all that end all.

I don't think anyone is suggesting for one moment China is going to force reunification. All of us here understand China position on this. That is, China reserve the right, as it is any nation that have its sovereignty violated, to respond appropriately.

It is certain member here that managed to twist things to make it look as though we are all blood thirsty CCP paid up members seeking revenge on 100 years humiliation. This threads proves one thing, and that us the ability of mind bending us strong with some of our members.
Seems like John Sudworth is masquerading on this forum.
 

azretonov

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I'm having trouble understanding what does anything have to do with Xi's successor, and why should one discuss about it right now. Unlike the western system, there is little room for personal policies, and the system is less forgiving for those who puts the national interests in jeopardy on personal grounds.

There is hardly anything new on this topic since Jiang Zemin's term, which means there must be preceding guidelines for Xi to follow, as ostensibly he does. Even without the reunification, he made it to the wall of fame through the reforms and anti-corruption campaigns, some of which had been on the agenda since early 90s, as late Lee Kuan Yew have mentioned multiple times on his memoirs.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Talking in a historical context, I think CSB was the closest before being rebuked by the USA. He was constantly seen by both USA and PRC as trying to push through many referenda that could’ve crossed the line though in the end he didn’t get that far. LTH was still nominally KMT (although both repudiated each other later on). I think it is unlikely he had enough political capital domestically to carry out any sort of move to independence.

From military standpoint, CSB administration (2000-2008) was probably the last to hold a qualitative advantage over PRC. For example, all ROCAF fighters had Active radar AAM at the time (AIM-120, MICA, TC-2), while PLAAF only had R-77 on Su-30. Domestic PL-12 would only be introduced near the end of his term, just like many of the other advanced systems now commonly in service with the PLA now.

These are some of the systems where PLA pulled ahead of ROCArF
KJ-2000 (2007)
052C (2004)
Z-10 (2010)
J-11B (2007)
J-10B (2010)

Obviously PLA had 2nd Artillery/Rocket Force that has no equivalent.

It is interesting to think back that even relatively recently that TW did possess an advantage on a platform to platform basis.

Very true, and now in 2021, all of TW forces are way behind of PLA by far (copying Trump rhetoric :) )
 

sndef888

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I think China's approach to seeking reunification is not the best, its a bit too hardheaded and doesn't pay deep attention to the feelings of everyday Taiwanese. A pretty big reason Taiwanese are against reunification (whether they know it or not) is the difference in the way people speak and act. Taiwanese accent is pretty distinctly different from the stereotypical northern china accent.

I used to think everybody in China spoke in that northern china accent. What China could do is raise awareness of how different areas of China speak in different accents and dialects, so instead of feeling like "I'm taiwanese and I speak a different way from China", they would think "I'm from taiwan, and like most provinces of China, I speak in a different accent". Maybe a few high profile Taiwan-accent leaders in the politburo
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I think China's approach to seeking reunification is not the best, its a bit too hardheaded and doesn't pay deep attention to the feelings of everyday Taiwanese. A pretty big reason Taiwanese are against reunification (whether they know it or not) is the difference in the way people speak and act. Taiwanese accent is pretty distinctly different from the stereotypical northern china accent.

I used to think everybody in China spoke in that northern china accent. What China could do is raise awareness of how different areas of China speak in different accents and dialects, so instead of feeling like "I'm taiwanese and I speak a different way from China", they would think "I'm from taiwan, and like most provinces of China, I speak in a different accent". Maybe a few high profile Taiwan-accent leaders in the politburo
What about the "voices" of the 1.4 billion Chinese voices that wanted THEIR Taiwan island back? De facto existence does NOT make it legit or morally right.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I think China's approach to seeking reunification is not the best, its a bit too hardheaded and doesn't pay deep attention to the feelings of everyday Taiwanese. A pretty big reason Taiwanese are against reunification (whether they know it or not) is the difference in the way people speak and act. Taiwanese accent is pretty distinctly different from the stereotypical northern china accent.

I used to think everybody in China spoke in that northern china accent. What China could do is raise awareness of how different areas of China speak in different accents and dialects, so instead of feeling like "I'm taiwanese and I speak a different way from China", they would think "I'm from taiwan, and like most provinces of China, I speak in a different accent". Maybe a few high profile Taiwan-accent leaders in the politburo
Nah, paying attention to the feelings of the Taiwanese is waste of time. In general, trying to gain a territory by influencing the opinions of the people is a waste of time because it's always an uphill battle trying to control the narrative when you don't control the region and the media there. From history, lands are almost always united by forceful annexation, not by creating some sense of brotherly love. No matter how well China does or what gestures it makes, it's pointless because the population of the ROC are subjected to pro-western and anti-Chinese propaganda. Every act of kindness will be viewed under the most sinister lens, and if nothing found, called a Trojan horse.

The correct way to unify the ROC is for the PRC to focus 100% on its own economy, technological and military growth until even the most deluded politician cannot say with a straight face that The USA would dare fight China for the ROC. Then, it will be a matter of annexation after an ultimatum is bloodlessly met. From then on, the task will be to re-educate the Taiwanese so that they are finally both mentally and physically home. Attempting this before the PRC gains control of the island is putting the cart before the horse.

And I think your analysis on accent is so far off from making sense that it's in outer space. The Taiwanese generally speak Mandarin with a slight accent (though I am aware of a special dialect there that I cannot understand). In general, I have no trouble at all understanding people from the ROC when they speak. On the other hand, there are people all over China speaking dialects (mainstream in large swaths of China) that a native Mandarin speaker like myself has no chance of understanding; they might as well be speaking the dialect of an African tribe as far as I can tell. Yet they are as committed to being Chinese as myself or any hot-blooded patriot.
 
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zgx09t

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TIers are no sons of China. There's no returning for them. They all should be crushed, grounded, mixed with salt and burnt completely.
The rest, just take a number and queue up like the rest of China. You are nothing more, nothing less than another citizen on mainland.
You will read from the same textbooks, sing the same songs to the same flag and use the same coins. That's it.

No drama BS. Deal with it.
 
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