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Dream on. Whenever the US met China in Asia, the loser has always been the US. It lost in North Korea and it lost in Vietnam, when the balance was much more in favor of America. In ROC, it won't even dare fight. It won't meet Russia in Ukraine or Georgia, it won't meet China in the South China Sea, and it won't meet China over the ROC. You know what strategic ambiguity means? It means bluffing. America's attack submarines are gonna sail in circles to protest just like its destroyers.

I'm trying to type as carefully as possible, this types of discussion could upset members or the mods.
So here goes.
I found the West position on this somewhat puzzling and frustrating.
1st of all, the PRC (China) is a soverign country recognnised by the UN, and over 95% of the world as the soverign country known as China.
The ROC (China, Taiwan) on the other hand is not recognised by the UN, and it is only recognised by a handful of countries.
It (ROC) NEVER pretended to be another seperate country, it ALWAYS maintained it is the legitimate ruler of China!
So the point is, if that's the case, isn't what the West's policy towards China (PRC) unfriendly to say the least.
Because by defination of above, and both side claimed to the the legitimate government of China, then any outside countries are interferring with the internal affairs of a soverign country!
As such, I find this hypocritical! As Chinese person, (and I think this is the point completely missed by most westerns), the situation in Taiwan, is a miscarriage of justice to ALL Chinese, no matter which side of the fence they are on. And as such, this is a CORE issue to all Chinese, and not just a pawn piece on the chessboard.
But no matter, it is inevitable this situation must come to an end sometime, And it would only have one ending.
 
Apr 10, 2018
according to DefenseNews US State Department OKs license for submarine tech sales to Taiwan
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Taiwan breaks ground on new submarine construction facility
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Taiwan is starting construction of a new facility that will allow the country to build its own submarines.

The ground breaking ceremony for the construction yard was held in the southern port city of Kaohsiung on May 9 and was attended by Taiwan president Tsai Ing-wen.

Construction of the facility begins after the US approved transfer of technologies in 2018 that would enable Taiwan to develop submarines locally.

Reports from last year also said that the country attracted several companies from the US, Europe, India and Japan for its
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Construction works on the shipyard are expected to be completed by the end of 2020 while the first boat is envisioned for a 2024 delivery. A total of 8 units are to be built.

Taiwan currently operates two World War 2 era submarines and two Hai Lung-class (Zwaardvis-class) boats which were delivered to Taiwan from the Netherlands in 1987 and 1988.
 

gelgoog

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US approved transfer of which technologies? The US hasn't built a diesel-electric submarine in decades!
At best the US can serve as a conduit for the required technology.
The Spanish did request for US help with the botched up S-80 submarine program I think. So which submarine is Taiwan going to develop?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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US approved transfer of which technologies? The US hasn't built a diesel-electric submarine in decades!
At best the US can serve as a conduit for the required technology.
The Spanish did request for US help with the botched up S-80 submarine program I think. So which submarine is Taiwan going to develop?
The US builds fire control systems, electric drives, life support systems, Torpedos and weapons suites, navigation and Sonar.
No the US doesn't have a indigenous conventional sub but it has all the goodies you need to arm and outfit one.
 

gelgoog

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I'll give it to you on the torpedos, weapon suites, fire control, life support systems, etc. But I would guess the electric drive, sonar, and other technologies might not be as easy to use without major modifications. The sonar for example, will have to be a lot smaller to fit into a diesel-electric. The propulsion drive will have similar issues.
Not to say the technology does not exist, but it would have to be repurposed from regular marine diesel engines.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Sonar is always customized for the class of ship.
As to the electric drive it's Generally also costom to the class. The U.S. makes smaller Diesel electric subs so it's not our out of the question.
 
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Model of Taiwan's first indigenous submarine unveiled
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A miniature model of Taiwan's prototype indigenous submarine was unveiled Thursday in Kaohsiung during a groundbreaking ceremony presided over by President Tsai Ing-wen (蔡英文) for the factory that will build the nation's first indigenous submarine.

The model features an X-form rudder system instead of the traditional cross-shaped rudder.

The use of X-form rudders aims to improve underwater maneuverability, reduce collision risk when docking and lower noise from propeller flow interactions, according to F. S. Mei (梅復興), director of the U.S.-based Taiwan Security Analysis Center.

Speaking during the groundbreaking ceremony, Tsai said her administration is determined to develop indigenous defense systems and building an indigenous submarine will greatly boost the Navy's combat capabilities in asymmetrical warfare.

The military currently has four submarines in its fleet, two of which were purchased from the United States in the 1970s, while the other two were bought from the Netherlands in the 1980s. Due to pressure from Beijing, the Netherlands has not sold Taiwan any more since then, she noted.

"Therefore we have no other choice but to build our own indigenous submarines," Tsai said.

After overcoming challenges over the past years, Taiwan has finally obtained export permits for the key technologies needed to design its own submarines, she said, expressing hope that this first step will be a success for the project.

In his address, Cheng Wen-lon (鄭文隆), chairman of CSBC Corp. Taiwan, the country's largest shipbuilder, and builder of the submarine, said the company has assigned 116 staff to work with the Navy on the project.

The submarine factory's construction will begin later this afternoon and is scheduled to be completed next year, he noted.

The prototype submarine will be viable in five years before the first submarine is delivered a year and a half later, he said.

Taiwan's defense ministry announced in March that the contract design phase of Taiwan's first indigenous submarine project has been completed and a prototype will be ready by 2024.

The completion of the contract design was the first phase of the project, which will now move on to blueprint design, followed by construction of a prototype and mass production, according to Defense Minister Yen De-fa (嚴德發).

The government has allocated NT$49 billion over seven years to build an indigenous submarine, with the goal of boosting Taiwan's defense capabilities in the face of China's growing military strength.
 

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